American propaganda. The Cold War.

Epic Fail

 

Thanks for your valuable opinion. I'll give it all the consideration it merits.

 

Your persona is offensive to most Americans. Thus, you should not be surprised when you receive rought treatment. Put me on ignore. But I'll continue responding to your posts as I see fit.

 

You certainly are not representative of the americans I have met in person.

and I am not the topic of this thread.

 

I presume your encounters with Americans have involved excursions out among lower class types one presumably meets at motel bars.

 

Yes, if we cant see it, that must mean we are not looking hard enough. I mean, the only alternative is that you're wrong and it really isnt there. And thats just impossible.

LOL! And how exactly did you know that? How much time did you spend as a citizen of the Soviet Union?

And now you are equivocating. That was quick. You managed to go from denial to equivocation in the space of a single paragraph within the same post. Impressive.

I am sure Hitler would have been in full agreement.

LOL!

 

Propaganda is about spreading exaggeration and rumors. That is not what Clinton was talking about. He was talking about equal time when it comes to expressing our ideals. That is why he used the word "information" and not "propaganda".

He was talking about how those people would never understand us because they do not have access to our side of the story. All they know about us they have learned from our enemies because that is all they have access to.

China especially is a perfect example of that. They are famous for their censorship. They do not even need to circumvent any laws to do it...it is an integrated part of their system.

Um, no. We did. because a threat to us (a serious threat) was removed.

It was always hilarious listening to Soviets talk about Imperialism. What exactly were the eastern block nations of not an example of Soviet imperialism? The Soviets were quintessential imperialists.

 

I would not be embarrassed at all. I would think its funny.

Yes, that must be why the world's best universities are all in Russia now.

Oh, wait a minute....

Diverse relative to Europe maybe. To the US? Not so much. The only nation that even approaches us when it comes to genetic and cultural diversity is Brazil.

 

So you think that less real information is better. Ok.

A vaccination is not required for a disease that does not exist. People have far less incentive to lie about their beliefs here because they do not have to fear state retaliation for expressing an unpopular idea.

If they are soft, then they are not really dictatorship. Real dictators do not have to answer to anyone...thats why they are dictators. Thats what the word actually means.

You proceed on the premise that the will of the masses is different from that how the "elites". How did you determine that the masses do not really agree with that policy?

...with the consent of the masses.

Since they require the consent of the masses, yet the reverse is not true, it means the masses are in control after all.

 

LOL. It was not 'he' it was 'she' (Hillary Clinton)

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnew...propaganda-budget-us-losing-qinformation-warq

 

lol. Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda and Joseph Goebbels were just a weak reflection of Marxist -Leninst propaganda in the USSR. LOL again.

 

it speaks mountains. ordinary and not ordinary Soviets were not allowed to speak about Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn, except in (*)(*)(*)(*)ing and rejecting terms. They lived in fear of talking and expressing anything alse but the state propaganda against Solzhenitsyn or any other dessent. They were foced to express condemnation of Solzhenitsyn, Sacharov etc. they were focred to voice an approval of persecution of any freedom, - whether it was a religious or intellectual

 

LOL .Where is your "for example"? LOL

 

US Invests in Fake Social Media Propaganda

Just how important is social media to shaping the future of the Middle East? Important enough for the US government to lie about it.
The US military has hired a California company to help it develop and manage false online personalities to engage with social media users in foreign countries, according to the London Guardiann.
Centcom Spokesman Bill Speaks told the newspaper that known of the "sock puppet" accounts will be in English -- because that would be illegal to engage with American users -- and none of the fake accounts will be on popular Bay Area-based social networking sites Facebook and Twitter.
Instead the accounts will operate in Arabic, Urdu, Farsi and Pashto -- all languages spoken in the Middle East, South Asia, Afghanistan and Iran.
Perhaps the most surprising part of the announcement is that it is believed to be part of a larger $200 million program that has been in place for some time and used against potential American threats in the Middle East.
The program is suppose to allow US operatives working near a base in Tampa, Florida to run multiple accounts from their desk to help shape and engage conversation and debate overseas.
The move comes as the US State Department has also ramped up its efforts to engage with the Middle East through social media.
The State Department has recently launched Farsi and Arabic only Twitter feeds, while the Obama administration has promised to fund foreign startups that promote digital dissent.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/tech/US-Invests-in-Fake-Social-Media-Propoganda-118247479.html

 

LOL. Putting your hand on your heart - can you say that I am wrong? Can you say that I am not exactly, 100% right?

Can you жить не по лжи or you can't, you don't want to, as an example http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Жить_не_по_лжи ?

PS. English жить не по лжи: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html

 

lol.Да ладно,надоела мне эта тема ещё на русских форумах.Этот трэд
просто прогулка по прошлому.lol

 

And you've got a bump. Or as they say here - a bummer - облом. At least you have exposed some like cassandra brainwashed by propaganda. That is good.

 

This wiki does not deserve trust. As an example, I might as well can refer to http://lurkmore.to/

 

Muchas gracias

 

Soviet people did not live in vacuum. Do not be so primitive. There are many other ways to get an information except of mass-media.

If you do not know about existence of your illnesses, that does not mean they do not exist. Sometimes a visit to the doctor upsets a person which looks healthy.

What a difference for you which dictator rules your - hidden or obvious one. In any case nothing depends on you. The dictator can be collective consisting of group of persons that creates illusion of democracy

I proceed on the premise that elite create public opinion. You think this is your opinion, but in fact this opinion which it is necessary for elite. Yes elite require the consent of the masses, as well as the obvious dictator requires the consent of the masses too. And they create this support. In a so-called democratic society this support is created by illusion of democracy, a free choice and freedom of mass-media. It's called as soft influence.

 

They lived closer to a vaccum than we did. Because they had access to less information.

And we have access to all of those as well.

Just because you think someone is sick, does not necessarily mean they are really sick.

I just explained why. Because if they have to remain hidden, they are not really dictators. You have no power over me if you are required to ask my permission to do stuff to me.

There is no such thing as a collective dictator. Dictators are individuals.

But even if there was, they would not be dictators anyway, since we could override (collectively) them if we wanted to.

Your premise is wrong. The elite reflect public opinion. No elite is going to convince me (or most people) that we should bring back slavery, for example. Their ideas will go nowhere if their ideas do not resonate with the masses.

You have still failed to explain to me why you do not think it is really "my" opinion? How did you determine that "my" opinion is different from that of the "elites"?

That is incorrect. Dictators do not require the consent of the masses. That is part of the definition of the word "dictator".

 

Everyone have many sources of the information. Everyone can get the information besides mass-media. Why do you refuse in this right for the Soviet people? You know nothing about a life of Soviet people. To live little bit closer to vacuum than you, does not mean to live in vacuum.

It looks like a talk of a doctor with a person which does not trust that he has illnesses. In fact every organism has diseases. A society is an alive organism too.

In fact a dictator always has a collective form. There is no such person which is so terrible that can subordinate millions people. Sometimes dictatorship is personified in one person as Hitler, Pinochet and so on. Sometimes it has no obvious leader and disappears under a mask of democracy. But dictatorship always requires support of peoples. There is no dictator which is able to keep authority without this support. It is obvious. And there are many ways of creation of public opinion and brainwashing of people. How can I prove to you that your opinion in fact is not your opinion but opinion of your elite inspired to you? You trust that this is your opinion. It is impossible to prove Mormon that Jesus did not live in America. The belief in free mass-media is similar to belief in a god and as any belief this belief is not able to criticize a reality.

 

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Evil Empire Song.

 

yeah, and basically, you don't know what you are talking about.