Americans overwhelmingly back school choice, parental rights in education

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    By a 2-1 ratio, parents backed school choice "voucher programs that allow tax dollars to follow children to the schools of their parents' choice."
    Americans largely favor empowering parents in their children's education through greater transparency in teaching materials and choice in schools, a survey has found.

    The latest Scott Rasmussen National Survey queried registered voters on an array of issues, including school choice, charter schools and education proposals requiring teachers to disclose their lesson plans.

    Citing a proposal that would "require public school teachers to put all lesson plans and materials online in advance so that parents can have access to them," the survey asked: "Would you favor or oppose this proposal?"

    A plurality of 38% said they "strongly favor" such an effort, while a further 31% said they "somewhat favor" it. By contrast, just 8% "strongly oppose" such a plan and 16% "somewhat oppose" it.

    In a follow-up question, the survey asked whether parents should be able to opt their children out of lessons or materials they find objectionable. A clear majority of 52% supported parental discretion while 27% opposed giving parents that leeway….










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    Parental choice and their control over the education of our children is a good thing. It is also now a very popular idea. It is great that parents are asserting more control over this.
     
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    Parental control over education is still a strong issue as parents assert themselves at school boards and even take them over. This is good news!
     
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    No, it isn't a good thing. If parents wanted to be teachers they could have gone and been teachers or homeschool their kids. This is a made up issue that will do nothing but drive people away from the teaching profession. Brilliant!
     
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    From the link. I thought this was interesting, and rather ugly.

    The survey also measured attitudes toward the influence of different religious groups on colleges and universities, with 30% of respondents saying atheists held "too much" sway over higher education. Twenty-five percent of those polled said "Evangelical or Bible Believing Christian people" were too influential, compared with 24% who said the same of Muslims and 13% who held that view of Jewish influence.
     
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    Ummmmm…..it’s not about the teachers, it’s about the children and the people who pay taxes to have them taught.
     
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    A plurality of Americans have not shown to be in favor of any such thing.

    A plurality of 1,000 randomly selected registered voters have though. Good thing 1,000 people get to decide what over 330 million Americans think.
     
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    You have to wonder what kind of people would oppose the idea of having a say in their kid's education. Why would anyone strongly oppose putting lesson plans on line, what are they trying to hide or want hidden? To me these people are just sheep willing to do whatever they're told.

    We now see how parents overwhelming back the rights of parents but we also know nothing will change because the people who make the decisions on what rights parents will get are controlled by the unions. It's so bad that the unions control what gets taught, where it gets taught, when it gets taught, how it gets taught and even want to have cops removed from school grounds. They do this all as the union leaders and the people who decide the rights of parents send their kids to private schools. So the kids of politicians and union leaders get good educations while everyone else gets whatever it is they get. There's a liberal word for that: inequity.

    While we're at it, I'd like to see cameras installed in every classroom so parents can jump in from time to time and see what's going on. Those cameras would have additional purposes such as providing evidence when a student attacks a teacher or other student, and it would help police know what's going on during school emergencies and to how best direct their resources.

    Finally, my brother and his wife are Jehovah's Witnesses and home schooled their kid. Not only did that kid grow up to be just fine, but he doesn't feel guilty over things he never did and only knows 2 genders. The down side is he was never taken to a bar during drag queen hour.
     
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    Of the issues mentioned, which do you oppose and why?

    BTW, the current situation we now live in has ONE teacher at a time telling a classroom full of kids what to think. If you knew I was going to be your kid's teacher would you want a say?
     
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    I oppose too much parental involvement because this has become a politicized issue. Therefore, it won't be about the kids, it'll be about parents trying to flex their political views over others. If parents truly want total control, they can homeschool or find a private school that matches their biases.

    No, I wouldn't. Kids should be exposed to variety of viewpoints, and yours is one of them. You and I may disagree on a lot of politics, but I've never got the sense that you're an evil person. You're just someone with whom I have political disagreements....and that's okay!

    FYI, my original post was more about assuming that the opinions of 1,000 people reflect the nation as a whole. Making those kinds of assumptions based on such a tiny sample size is always dumb, no matter what the subject of the poll is or which side of the political aisle the results may lean.
     
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    I love this bit:

    The survey also measured attitudes toward the influence of different religious groups on colleges and universities, with 30% of respondents saying atheists held "too much" sway over higher education. Twenty-five percent of those polled said "Evangelical or Bible Believing Christian people" were too influential, compared with 24% who said the same of Muslims and 13% who held that view of Jewish influence.​

    So 30% of the of the respondents think “atheists” have too much control by not wanting religious influence and an astonishing (depending on the methodology / likely overlap) 62% that believe there is too much religious influence in schools.

    I wonder why this completely biased source didn’t source anything they posted?
     
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    It is political by design. Political indoctrination of children is their goal. "emancipation from oppression" they call it.

    Critical pedagogy is a philosophy of education and social movement that developed and applied concepts from critical theory and related traditions to the field of education and the study of culture.[1]

    It insists that issues of social justice and democracy are not distinct from acts of teaching and learning.[2] The goal of critical pedagogy is emancipation from oppression through an awakening of the critical consciousness, based on the Portuguese term conscientização. When achieved, critical consciousness encourages individuals to effect change in their world through social critique and political action in order to self-actualize.

    Critical pedagogy was founded by the Brazilian philosopher and educator Paulo Freire, who promoted it through his 1968 book, Pedagogy of the Oppressed. It subsequently spread internationally, developing a particularly strong base in the United States, where proponents sought to develop means of using teaching to combat racism, sexism, and oppression. As it grew, it incorporated elements from fields like the Human rights movement, Civil rights movement, Disability rights movement, Indigenous rights movement, postmodern theory, feminist theory, postcolonial theory, and queer theory......
    I Wikipedia
     
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    McLaren has developed a social movement based version of critical pedagogy that he calls revolutionary critical pedagogy, emphasizing critical pedagogy as a social movement for the creation of a democratic socialist alternative to capitalism. Wikipedia
     
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    I don't know, I learned about good manners in school and right and wrong and a lot of things that weren't strictly academic. Racism, sexism, oppression, these are bad things. Human rights, civil rights, disabled rights, indigenous rights, LGBTQ rights, these are good things.

    The flip side of that is that some folks take it too far. You can correct the mistakes of the past without taking everything to the extreme. And there are those who would prefer the status quo of the past. They say they don't want kids to learn about sex and family and morality and race, but never objected when kids learned about those very things every day in schools, churches, and at home. If it's political indoctrination they oppose, why do they engage in or condone political indoctrination? If parents are so concerned about ideas being expressed to their children at school, can't they discuss those issues with them and explain why what they learned is wrong? I know I've had those types of conversations at various times with my own children. And if you can't actually explain to your children why what they heard is wrong, maybe you shouldn't be trying to tell them it is in the first place.
     
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    This is awesome!!!!! Hey can I opt my kid out of Algebra please!
     
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    Yeah, progressives love this stuff in the schools. Its still political indoctrination injected into education. A "social movement for the creation of a democratic socialist alternative to capitalism". But its at the cost of a loss in proficiency in reading writing and arithmetic to gain more votes for the democrats in the future.
     
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    that should apply to private schools as well if they get tax payer funds
     
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    Sure, transparency is the ultimate disinfectant. But I think giving parents free choice is the right thing. Opens up competition, but also opportunities. People always highlight the difference in a Yale or Duke education, by giving every child those opportunities we would benefit tremendously as a society. Pricing out education just weakens our own country.
     
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    they have free choice today, the only difference here is the right wants the tax payers to pay for religious schools

    I say just give people that want to go to a private school a tax cut for the amount they paid for public schools in their own taxes, no way should we be giving religious schools 5 grand for every child they entice to go to their schools, especially when most of them are against birth control, a family of 10 would cost a fortune 10 vouchers x $50,000.00 x 13 years = $1,300,000 for just one family (tax free), no wonder Muslims and Christians want vouchers

    will they guarantee this money for religious schools will not come out of the public school budget?
     
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    in the future, all classes will be VR, school staff will assist, but the classes will be pre-recorded and everyone will get the same education
     
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    Nonsense, how many posts and threads say that teachers are grooming kids or they are forcing an agenda on them.
     
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    Our public school system has been one of the most important institutions in our democracy. It has helped the less-advantaged get a start toward a better life. To see it under attack in ways which will diminish its usefulness is not something we should readily accept.

    Regards, stay safe 'n well.
     
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    The truth is 90% of parents send their kids to school for free food.
     
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    By usefulness are you refering to indoctrinating grade school kids with

    "Racism is a white person's problem"
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    Its usefulness in educating our children will be fine without it. Better off.
     
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    They are imposing their agenda on them.

    Education as Class Warfare. An Interview with Scholar/Author Peter McLaren
    Education as Class Warfare. An Interview with Scholar/Author Peter McLaren (chapman.edu)

    McLaren has developed a social movement based version of critical pedagogy that he calls revolutionary critical pedagogy, emphasizing critical pedagogy as a social movement for the creation of a democratic socialist alternative to capitalism....

    It subsequently spread internationally, developing a particularly strong base in the United States......

    Critical pedagogy is a philosophy of education and social movement that developed and applied concepts from critical theory and related traditions to the field of education and the study of culture.[1]

    It insists that issues of social justice and democracy are not distinct from acts of teaching and learning.[2] The goal of critical pedagogy is emancipation from oppression through an awakening of the critical consciousness, ....

    As an outgrowth of critical theory, critical pedagogy is intended to educate and work towards a realization of the emancipatory goals of critical pedagogy. The theory is influenced by Karl Marx who believed that inequality is a result of socioeconomic differences and that all people need to work toward a socialized economy.....Wikipedia
     
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    And as far as the grooming aspect

    As it grew, it incorporated elements from fields like the Human rights movement, Civil rights movement, Disability rights movement, Indigenous rights movement, postmodern theory, feminist theory, postcolonial theory, and queer theory.
    Critical pedagogy - Wikipedia

    Queer pedagogy (QP) is an academic discipline devoted to exploring the intersection between queer theory and critical pedagogy, which are both grounded in Marxist critical theory. It is also noted for challenging the so-called "compulsory cisheterosexual and normative structures, practices, and curricula" that marginalize or oppress non-heterosexual students and teachers.[1]

    QP explores and interrogates the student/teacher relationship, the role of identities in the classroom, the role of eroticism in the teaching process......

    According to William Pinar, a curriculum theorist at the University of British Columbia, homosexuality and pedagogy have been linked as far back as the ancient Greeks and Romans.
    Queer pedagogy - Wikipedia

    Or the Sambia tribe education of the young boys.
    Real men drink semen? |The Sambia Tribe's initiation from Boyz to Men (orijinculture.com)
     
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