An Excellent Opinion on the Decline of America.

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  1. SpotsCat

    SpotsCat New Member Past Donor

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    Probably the same as Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill who supplied arms and aid to Josef Stalin during the Second World War.
     
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    Both wars combined amount to a fraction of the cost of the USA's enormous personal entitlement programs.
     
  3. Sooner28

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    Gonna respond to O'Reilly's article.

    "If you study history, you know that America was built on self-reliance and personal achievement. In the early years of the Republic, the federal and state governments pretty much stayed out of the way as folks built businesses and communities. There were absolutely no public safety nets. If you failed, it was up to you to survive."


    This is partially true. Back in the good ole days, there was no social safety net. People would just starve and die, or rely on charity. If you didn't have the money for a doctor, you once again relied on charity or died. And many people did die during this time. I had a personal finance professor (who bashed unions all the time, so hardly a liberal) tell me that before Medicare was passed in 1960, old age would crush some people. And the bill that passed Medicare also required hospitals to at least stabilize people instead of turning them away. He said it wasn't uncommon to see people DYING outside of a hospital because they had no money to pay.

    America, aside from being built on self-reliance and personal achievement, was also built on the backs of slaves. It sure as hell does not hurt when you have ultra cheap labor to do your bidding. And it it still sustained by the low-skilled workers who do all the drudge work. And I don't know where he gets that self-reliance and personal achievement do not exist today. There are many medical advances and technological ones all the time!

    "Out went the baby with the bath water. In came drugs, free love and a suspicion of authority. No longer was the United States a noble nation in the eyes of many of its own citizens who began to see their country as an oppressor.

    America became a divided nation. Traditions eroded quickly, as many people began doing their "own thing." No longer was there a widely accepted code of conduct."


    This part really is laughable. I see no connection between this and America's decline. Drugs have been around forever, and so has free love and suspicion of authority. In fact suspicion of authority especially is a really good thing to have in many circumstances. I guess if an authority figure tells me to do something, I better do it without question!

    'Self-reliance remained the key to success in our capitalistic system, but for those who declined to compete, the federal government stepped in to lend support. As the family structure collapsed, entitlements became more common, as children and single mothers had to be supported. The vexing issues of racial inequality and persistent poverty brought about ultra-expensive social engineering. Liberal Americans looked to the Western European model of cradle-to-grave support as a panacea for "income inequality." The view that Washington has a moral obligation to provide a decent lifestyle for everyone took root."


    Yeah like those single moms who work minimum wage jobs to support their kids decline to compete right? Or the older people who are in poor health? The family structure collapsing is NOT the reason people live in poverty, though it plays a role. MANY MANY people lived in poverty during the Great Depression and family structure was as tight as ever then.

    Washington providing a decent lifestyle? Yes! Up to a point. And everyone agrees to this. We need police to keep criminals at bay. We need firefighters to combat potentially huge disasters. We need courts to enforce contracts and laws. And we need a social safety net for people capitalism hangs out to dry, and government regulations to keep businesses from taking advantage of cheap labor, like what happened when child labor was still legal (but let's not talk about that part of our history!)

    So in conclusion, O'Reilly is mythologizing American history. Let's also not forget the government can do some good, such as I don't know employing a military? And also there is that whole moon-landing then when the government and the private sector teamed up :p.
     
  4. loong

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    Irrefutable.

    And, here's one of the bottom lines for the anti-gun buttholes: You may not have a gun.....but the criminal will.
     
  5. loong

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    Sooner,

    The trouble with OweBamarrhoidal Political Idiots is that they invariably choose the wrong part and perceive it as the TRUTH.
     
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    Dude.. what?
     
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    Honestly how did you come up with "OwebamaCrapster"? I am genuinely amazed.
     
  8. loong

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    Addendum: Sorry for the glitch in posting. It came out garbled, and I had to correct that.
     
  9. loong

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    Very easily.

    This Monumental Mendacious Fraud, Commie/Socialist, Racist OWEBamaCrapster is light years more responsible than any other for getting us in, and keeping us in, an GARGANTUAN DEBT. Hence the OWE. "Bama" short for "Obama". And, "Crapster" because that's the kindest thing I could think of calling him.....and still be accurate.

    Thanks for asking.
     
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    Ohhhh, okay so that's the guy we've been looking for about that debt problem, huh?

    (*)(*)(*)(*) and all this time I thought it was some other guy like George Bush (raised the national debt ceiling 8 times) or Reagan (raised it 18 times) but I'm glad you set me straight. I'm gonna go have a talk with him.
     
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    Fun fact: Every president since Harry Truman has added to the national debt.

    Fun fact: We have been in debt, perpetually, since the birth of our nation.
     
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    Fox? O'Rielly? LOL

    Brother please...:disbelief:
     
  13. loong

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    NOT Fox ? NOT O'Reilly ?

    MoveOn.Org ?, MediaMatters ?

    C'mon, get REAL !!!

    And, deep six the "brother" crap..........I am not an IslamoFascist Swine.
     
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    O'Reilly is getting loonier by the day. There will come a day when they will officially lock him up in Bellvue.
     
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    First, talk with yourself.....although, I doubt if it's gonna do you any good.

    Note: The Mendacious Political Charlatan OweBamaCrapster spent in 3 years what BOOOOSH spent in EIGHT YEARS.

    IOW, The Monumental Mendacious Fraud, Commie/Socialist, racist OweBamaCrapster spent MORE THAN TWICE AS MUCH AS BOOSH IN LESS THAN 1/2 THE TIME !!!

    Plus, the overwhelming amount of the money BOOOOSH spent was in getting rid of the Baghdad Psycho.

    BOOOOOOSH, got rid of the Baghdad Psycho with the instigation, and blessings of the Clinton Adm, and the Dem Congressional Leadership including the Sleaze Queen Pelosi, the Icon of Dem Morality, the Chappaquidick Murderer, Ted Kennedy (may he roast in Hades), The Greenery Swindler, and the Dem Nominee for the Presidency of the United states of America: Al :puke: :fart: :puke: Gore, KKK Byrd, Hanoi Kerry, etc., etc., etc......not only that BOOOSH used the identically same verbiage of the DEMS before Congress, and his speeches (including the WMD verbiage).

    BOOOOSH got rid of the Baghdad Monster .... Yeah, the one that TORTURED & MURDERED over a million of IslamoFascist Swine, including his own (which is OK)....but that POS threatened our Strategic Oil Supplies, threatened Mid East Stability, and woulda been the SECOND & WORSE type of an IslamoFascist Butthole than Ahmadinejad (yep...there'd be TWO of those Buttholes instead of ONE).

    So, when BOOOSH wiped out the Baghdad Psycho, and his FOURTH Largest Army in the World in TWENTY TWO DAYS......The Hypocritical & Treacherous Dems realizing that their chances in the upcoming elections were ZIP, NADA, ZERO......made a 180 degree abouot face and knifed BOOOOSH in the back !!!!

    These Hypocritical & Treacherous DEM Buttholes used the full force of their 24/7 Lib Controlled Mainstream Media and DEMOLISHED BOOOOOSH.

    But, in so doing, they gave the GREEN LIGHT to Iran, and the other IslamoFascist Swine to start the IRAQI QUAGMIRE.

    These IslamoFascist Swine KNEW they had the Hypocritical& Treacherous Dems covering their slimy arses.

    Result: the present Mess in the Mid East, with 4000+ of our finest dead.

    Yeah.....BLAME BOOOSH you DEM BUTTHOLES !!!
     
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    Bill O'Reilly? Hardly a credible source of opinion.

    I think that I would listen to Paris Hilton before Bill O'Reilly on any serious issues.
     
  17. loong

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    That will ever happen.

    FACT: O'Reilly is one of the most astute and successful Commentator/Journalists America has ever known for FIFTEEN YEARS running (the FIRST continuously for most, if not all, of those years) .... and some moron's opinion to the contrary is not only ridiculous.....it's BIZZARE !!

    Also, ALL the Looney Bins throughout America will be overflowing with the OweBamarrhoidal Political Idiots, amongst whom will be some forced imports from New Zealand.

    :gun::trout:
     
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    And, that's why you are, by your own choice: MADONNA .... with all the reputation as an intellectual that personna obtains.
     
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    :omfg:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!:omfg:WOOOHOOO!
     

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