An Unsettling New Theory: There Is No Swing Voter

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  1. Longshot

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    My party? WTF are you talking about?
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for establishing that you lack the requisite subject matter knowledge to be able to comprehend the distinction between opinion and facts.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHA!

    You just cited a "large leftist organization" about something that occurred more than SEVENTY YEARS ago!

    :roflol:
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    We agree that the Dem Establishment definitely does override the choice of their primary base and hardly surprising that there were sufficient numbers of like minded primary voters, such yourself, to make a difference in the outcome. Only reason I did not join them was because I had prior knowledge of what kind of a shyster the criminal IMPOTUS was from my own background in the financial sector.

    The sooner we are rid of the Dem Establishment the better IMO and yes, that applies to the GOP Establishment but for different reasons.

    The next election is crucial IMO. We cannot afford 4 more years of this criminal turmoil aided and abetted by the GOP cowards in the Senate.
     
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    I have lived in other nations where having an Id is commonplace. There is nothing totalitarian about it at all. If anything it helps prevent crimes since if someone comes to your door saying they need to inspect the gas, electricity or cable and ask for access to your home the homeowner can ask them to show their Id. It is not all bad IMO.
     
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    She is far from being an "amateur" and isn't it hypocritical of criminal IMPOTUS supporters to accuse her of being self promoting given what their Orange Zero does on a daily basis?
     
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    Nothing says that it cannot be a made into a PAID national holiday.
     
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    :roflol:

    Complete and utter bovine excrement without any substantiation.
     
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    You’re arguing for the Republican brand. Every argument you make is to extend government control by republicans over elections.
     
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    Are you talking about ID in general or specific voter IDs. ?
    That totally depends upon who institutes it and who is responsible for it’s proper use. A state Voter ID, like a state issued driver’s license, or even a local precinct ID is one thing. But, a federal ID with national tracking ramifications is totally different. There are plenty of reasonable IDs during voter registration all ready, that are local.

    The problem with specific voter IDs is their complexity in issuing an ID you use once a year. The voter registration model that has been used for ions makes voter ID totally unnecessary.

    The registration material requires proper ID at registration time. It’s proven time and time again, that there is no systemic voter fraud using simple voter registration material to identify people at the polls. It’s a federal crime, a felony to try to circumvent it.

    You can tell it’s unnecessary, righties just make s.h.i.t up about what is going on. Even when a Republican administration investigates voter fraud they get only the typical local cases.

    You want a national ID, get ready for national malfeasance on a large scale. Republican corruption history makes them totally untrustworthy on the national level . Just listen to trump ? Does anyone trust him ? He has a history of being a fraud....

    This is another case where Dems will compromise with criminals intent GOP on the right and another reason more independents will leave the party. It happens with regularity.
     
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    Gee, 70 years ago must be when America was great “again”.
     
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    Since I am not going to click on ever single state I did a random sample came to the conclusion that there is an AVERAGE of 12 cases per state covering 9 elections.

    Doing the math (12*50 / 9) that comes to an average of 67 cases of voter fraud per election where about 120,000,000 voters cast their ballots in each election.

    Therefore the instances of voter fraud are NEGLIGIBLE and pale in comparison to the RAMPANT WHOLESALE GOP Minority Voter Suppression.
     
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    She wasn't even out of college in 2010. Yes, she's an amateur forecaster. Her "findings" about swing voters and how the mix of people who turnout to elections makes a difference is not a "new theory". She's schlepping a political book at $40 a pop like a lot of other people and she's doing a semi-decent job marketing herself for publicity. Other than that she's just a nobody NeverTrump hack trying to work her way up in the social-political circles of who's who. If she fails to become a big name as an election forecaster, she'll do fine on a political strategy team or just continue as a member of a political think tank. She'll be fine. I just wouldn't put much faith in her political forecasts.
     
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    Not everyone gets paid for holidays. Most retailers don't close for holidays except maybe Thanksgiving and Christmas and some don't close any day of the year. Adding another holiday doesn't help people who work holidays or don't get paid holidays, mainly low-wage workers. It would just be a boondoggle for salaried workers and government employees. A National Voting Day wouldn't impact voter turnout by much...and increased turnout would likely be the same ratio of Dems and Repubs.
     
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    Thank you for establishing that you cannot refute her data analysis so you are just engaging in ad homs against her instead.
     
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    Other nations ENCOURAGE voter turnout by making election day a PAID national holiday.

    Only in GREED OBSESSED America do we place the PROFITS of corporations over and above what is best for We the People.

    Furthermore it is the GOP that engages in Minority Voter Suppression and making it MORE DIFFICULT to vote is just another way for them to hold on to their malevolent stranglehold on power.
     
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    What do Democrats always propose? Higher taxes and higher costs to businesses/corporations. Who pays for the increases? The final consumer. Who gets hurt worst by higher costs? The low-income working class.

    Just because the government may not take money directly out of paychecks of lower income classes doesn't mean they don't pay a share of tax increases at the end of the day.

    It isn't rocket science.
     
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    If they caught some people, how many people didn't get caught? We are dealing with people scamming the vote with no ID's and operating under a fraudulent identity.

    It doesn't matter how many anyway. Someone casting an illegitimate vote cancelled out someone's legitimate vote. One is too many.
     
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    The shot gun approach. Let’s talk taxes cause you’ve been owned on voter suppression.
     
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    It's a state issue, not a federal one. Every state has some sort of legislation to allow people to leave work to go vote. Early voting and long polling hours makes for no excuse not to exercise voting rights.
     
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    Wrong.....universal healthcare means businesses no long have to negotiate healthcare and can pay higher wages. Taxes ? Well, republicans spend like there is no tomorrow and run up huge deficits. Dems at least pay their bills. Deficits are huge recession builders. Losing your job is worse. Republicans authored 9-10 recessions. So no. They know nothing about the economy.
    Unless you were rich, you did not get much of a tax cut from republicans so that’s a fallacy for 95% of the public.
     
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    At least you admit the NY Times is a leftist organization and that Johnson stole the election.
     
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    You are chasing a wisp of smoke while IGNORING the RAGING FOREST FIRE of GOP Minority Voter Suppression!

    Sad!
     
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    Even if true, it is nothing compared to the influence of the mainstream media and their cable offshoots which is measurable in the last midterms, giving Democrats the House on a pack of lies. This was made stark when followed by the Mueller report which totally contradicted the Russian hoax that the media pushed on the people for two long years. The question is, how many Americans will acknowledge and remember being duped by the left. Looking for an existential threat?....look no further than the mainstream media and their cable offshoots functioning in concert with the Democrat party.
     
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    :roflol:

    Blaming the media for telling the TRUTH about your criminal IMPOTUS?

    Sad!

    Like all SHYSTERS the truth about their SCAMS eventually comes to light and that old saying about "fool me once..." kicks in.

    In essence your criminal IMPOTUS is his own worst enemy and the MAJORITY of the nation now KNOWS what he really is and does.
     
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