That wasn't a snarky remark. It was the truth. Debatable. Hedonistic/sadistic reason. Pain and suffering for personal pleasure. So are beans, dark leafy greens, seeds, nuts, lentils, etc. Just have them with some vitamin C and it helps absorption. At the risk of you claiming I am being sarcastic, I am going to create an analogy for you. You cited taste (i.e. personal pleasure) as a reason for your animal exploitation. If someone has a sexual appetite for children, is it okay to exploit them if they are treated nicely? Like animals who don't want to die, is it okay to rape them if they aren't willing?
I am taking my two cows to be processed March 4th. They have had good lives and it is now time to feed the family. I will not feel the least bit guilty when I sit down to that 1 inch thick Porterhouse steak and baked potato smothered in butter...my mouth waters just thinking about it. The food was not transported thosands of miles by truck ...it was all raised right here at home. If you have a problem with it....I guess you just have a problem.
They don;t survive anyway because we kill them all as soon as they are grown. The Asian red fowl (the undomesticated chicken) still lives in the wild as does the wild boar.
Sab & Zeffy, I'm a vegetarian who believes in animal welfare, but I don't go to the extreme PETA does. I have no problem with hunting deer, ducks or other animals for food as long as the animal is quickly killed. We do need more humane farming such as free range chickens. Both Rush H. Limbaugh & Patrick J. Buchanan say that being against animal cruelty such as dog fighting are things people can agree on. Patrick J. Buchanan has said he likes cats as pets & again, RushH. Limbaugh likes his dogs & cats. Patrick J. Buchanan & RushH. Limbaugh both believe that hunting for food is fine-that hunting must be a swift kill. Both believe that we must help people first but humane animal treatment is something people can agree on regardless of politics. It's not Democrat or Republican. 1 can be a hunter but still be against animal cruelty such as Michael Vick's dog fighting though a hunter will differ with PETA on a topic such as hunting for food.
If animals were not made to be eaten, then they wouldn't be made of meat. But as it happens they are, and we do.
As species all of those animals not only survive but their populations have increased through out history. The domesticated animals of today are not equipped to survive in the wild any longer and the ones that are would become nuisance animals that would end up being hunted and killed to cull their populations like deer here in Kansas. Either way animals will be killed so is it better to use them as a resource or to just slaughter them because they are in the way?
The domesticated animals live in a symbiotic relationship with man. If we removed ourselves from their life cycles what would happen? There are consequences to every action since we are the dominate species and have the capability to use logic we have a duty to consider the impact of our actions.
The result would be that that domesticated breed would no longer be in existence save for some kept as pets.
Is that preferable to the animals serving a purpose? I am all for treating the animals well and not abusing them. But alowing them to die out just because we no longer have a use for them does not strike me as the right way to go either. Animals are a resource, that is a fact, wether we use them, other animals use them, or an ecosystem uses them (like bees transporting polon) makes no differance. In my oppinion it is mans duty to be conservationists and to insure that all creatures are used propperly and not abused or destroyed.
In 2009 the USDA made it ileagal to slaughter horses for meat. The result was a lot of horses just being let go. The animals suffered from starvation, pests and diseases. In 2012 they decided it was more humane to slaughter them. Years ago in the deep south pig prices dropped to .09 cents a pound. As a result many pigs were just let go. They are still a problem today. Wild hogs are destructive and dangerous. They cause millions in losses every year.
When an animal is caged to the point it can't even turn around it is cruelty to animals. I raise animals for food and I strongly believe that animals should be free from hunger, thirst, starvation, pain, and be allowed to engage in natural behavior. It is a good thing to seperate the boar hogs from the sows however. If not the boar will pester the sows to no end.
yes it is preferable. Creatures by being domesticated have been abused. Cows whose udders are so large they constantly rupture, Sheep who cannot give Birth normally, Chirckens whose lefs buckly because of the absurdly high weight bred into them. Animals are Current;ly a resource that does not mean it is morally right to kill them purely for their taste. The USA has horrendous abuse of farm animals -it is not as bad as China but it is shocking all the same.
the thought of everything crashing down due to animal extinctions is laughable to me. Animals have gone extinct for all time, and the world adapts. ie - there are only 3 types of elephants in the world today.... over time, there have been over 40 different kinds. yet only 3 remain. ZOMG, the world is ending now that the mammoth is dead!!!!!!!! so forgive me for not showing concern when a frog dies out from Chytrid Fungus
Killing them because of there taste is a natural and healthy behavior. Abusing them is not and should not be ok with people. As you just agreed they are a resource so if we are not going to eat them what are we going to use them for? Why is it ok for every other creature in the food chain too do what is natural to them and eat their preferred food but not us? Man even with all his technology is still a part of the natural cycle of this planet and eating prey is still a necessary part of that cycle. In fact since we have killed so many of the predators in nature, if we did not kill these animals they would over populate and then die horrible deaths due to starvation or become such a nuisance that we would have to kill them to protect our other sources of food such as grains and vegetables. Extremists on both sides would rather screw all of us instead of learning how to live in harmony within the worlds ecosystems.
Killing is abusing. We shouldn;t 'use them' for anything because we have developed ethics Man even with all his technology is still a part of the natural cycle of this planet and eating prey is still a necessary part of that cycle. No it isn;t . I don't eat prey Or stop killing wolves and Coyotes Being vegetarian does not screw with the worlds ecosystems.
1.Killing is not abuse, torturing, confining into small places, and injecting them with strange chemicals is abuse. But slaughtering animals for their meat and hides is the same as harvesting plants. Both are living entities and both are a part of the natural food chain. But I am open too hearing why killing is abuse mam (or sir) this is a discussion forum where we all can learn from one another. 2.IHope we can we agree with this definition of Ethics? If not please provide your definition. ( usually used with a singular verb ) that branch of philosophy dealing with values relating to human conduct, with respect to the rightness and wrongness of certain actions and to the goodness and badness of the motives and ends of such actions. If we can agree on this definition how is it unethical to kill an animal? 3. Killing wolves and Coyotes has gotten out of hand and I think we should not cull those creatures unless they are a threat to the local population. On this I hope we can agree. 4. Unless you are growing your own vegetables without the use of modern technology and those are the only ones you eat then you are supporting agribusiness which kills animals to protect their crops, uses chemicals which harms the environment to protect those crops, uses trucks and trains to transport those crops which harms the environment, are sold in stores which use huge amounts of energy and land which harms the environment. All of these things impact the ecosystems of the areas they happen in. So even you as a vegetarian screws with the worlds ecosystem.
culling is one of those things that is for the good of the animals as a group. If you don't cull those animals, food shortages happen for all of them and there is going to be a mass starvation. The land can only handle so many kangaroos, so many wolves before it can't support them anymore. So you are left with a choice, let ALL the animal starve until balance is achieved, or killl some quickly to achieve that balance.
I agree to a point, unfortionatly we have done more then just cull those animals. Those two predators have been targeted no matter their popultaions or the effect it has had on the ecosytoms. It is one of the reasons that we have such a huge deer problem here in the midwest. No natural predators are alowed to exist beside humans. Shoot on site has been the bywords for more then a hundred years.
An omnivore does best with a diverse diet of plants and animals. Yes, we can survive without eating animals, but it's much easier to eat animals along with plants. Just like I like to eat a wide variety of vegetables, I also like to eat a wide variety of animals. Get the most nutrients that way.
Our anatomy is that of an omnivore. Our gut length per body length is in between the ranges of most herbivores and most carnivores. Yes, we were prey. Many carnivores are prey. Being prey doesn't mean we can't also be hunters. It's not mutually exclusive.
Our small intestine length is way out of Omnivourous and is right in the mean for Herbivores Anatomically and physiologically, people are herbivores. Facial Muscles Carnivore: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape Herbivore: Well-developed Omnivore: Reduced Human: Well-developed Jaw Type Carnivore: Angle not expanded Herbivore: Expanded angle Omnivore: Angle not expanded Human: Expanded angle Jaw Joint Location Carnivore: On same plane as molar teeth Herbivore: Above the plane of the molars Omnivore: On same plane as molar teeth Human: Above the plane of the molars Jaw Motion Carnivore: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion Herbivore: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back Omnivore: Shearing; minimal side-to-side Human: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back Major Jaw Muscles Carnivore: Temporalis Herbivore: Masseter and pterygoids Omnivore: Temporalis Human: Masseter and pterygoids Mouth Opening vs. Head Size Carnivore: Large Herbivore: Small Omnivore: Large Human: Small Teeth (Incisors) Carnivore: Short and pointed Herbivore: Broad, flattened and spade shaped Omnivore: Short and pointed Human: Broad, flattened and spade shaped Teeth (Canines) Carnivore: Long, sharp and curved Herbivore: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none Omnivore: Long, sharp and curved Human: Short and blunted Teeth (Molars) Carnivore: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped Herbivore: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface Omnivore: Sharp blades and/or flattened Human: Flattened with nodular cusps Chewing Carnivore: None; swallows food whole Herbivore: Extensive chewing necessary Omnivore: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing Human: Extensive chewing necessary Saliva Carnivore: No digestive enzymes Herbivore: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes Omnivore: No digestive enzymes Human: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes Stomach Acidity Carnivore: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach Herbivore: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach Omnivore: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach Human: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach Stomach Capacity Carnivore: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract Herbivore: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract Omnivore: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract Human: 21% to 27% of total volume of digestive tract Length of Small Intestine Carnivore: 3 to 6 times body length Herbivore: 10 to more than 12 times body length Omnivore: 4 to 6 times body length Human: 10 to 11 times body length Colon Carnivore: Simple, short and smooth Herbivore: Long, complex; may be sacculated Omnivore: Simple, short and smooth Human: Long, sacculated Liver Carnivore: Can detoxify vitamin A Herbivore: Cannot detoxify vitamin A Omnivore: Can detoxify vitamin A Human: Cannot detoxify vitamin A Kidneys Carnivore: Extremely concentrated urine Herbivore: Moderately concentrated urine Omnivore: Extremely concentrated urine Human: Moderately concentrated urine Nails Carnivore: Sharp claws Herbivore: Flattened nails or blunt hooves Omnivore: Sharp claws Human: Flattened nails
