Can we find any example in the 2008 election that would see John McCain receiving the same percentages of votes in key states that Romney got in 2012? I.E. literally zero votes out of thousands cast? These are the sort of voting percentages we would expect to see in the old Soviet Union...not in Ohio. Yes. Given the clarification, in St. Lucie only, the issue seems to be resolved. This says nothing about all the rest however. Disingenuous. Having more people registered than the actual population of a county is an open invitation to voter fraud (which you insist is not a problem, as I recall). Ouray county, for instance, had 119 percent of the population registered to vote and a whopping 74 percent voter turnout. You have no idea who voted and who didn't or who was supposed to vote, more importantly. Obama carried the county. How do we know it was legitimate? "Colorado Counties Have More Voters Than People". Obama carried a vital swing state where more people were registered to vote than actually exist in those counties! You don't see the possiblilities of voter fraud? This screams for a closer look. Then why use such a bloodless antiseptic non judgmental term like voting irregularities when referring to the crime of voter fraud? Could it be you are trying to make a possibly stolen election just seem like a matter of techincal problems or blameless glitches? Do you also refer to bank robberies as unplanned withdrawals? In total, there are 21 districts in Cleveland where Mr. Romney received precisely 0 votes. In 23 districts, he received precisely 1 vote. And naturally, in one of the districts where Obama won 100% of the vote, there was 100% turnout. What a coincidence! This is statistically anomalous, to say the least. It's mind boggling to think you would claim there are no problems here.
If the political right is set on moral absolutism, and judge more than those in their own churches, I absolutely am against them. And I'm a Christian.
While I am not a far right Christian, but rather a Christian who doesn't attend church..... and someone who does believe in God and an afterlife......I would say that if it's true that only 1/5th of the nation are Christians, that this fact could ultimately hurt Democrats too. A large portion of your base voters are heavy into Christianity.....hispanics; a lot are Catholics and the blacks are very heavy-duty church goers and Christians. Why do you think Democrat leaders like Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Al Gore go into all-black churches and suddenly start sounding like black ministers? Rather condescending and embarrassing IMO, but evidently the black Christians like the other things Democrats have to offer that have nothing to do with their own personal religious convictions and beliefs. I'll bet if you polled black Christians and Hispanic Christians most would say they do NOT believe in abortion or gay marriage. I certainly do not believe the Christians that do not belong to the Democrat party deserve to be demonized however. What is it with Democrats and liberals? Why are you always trying to divide? If it's not race warfare; it's class warfare.....and now, I guess, religious warfare.
Democrats are for religious freedom for all, what we do not want is the Government choosing the people's religion for them or using our tax dollars to fund their religion, other then that, have at it, believe what ever one wants to believe
Its a simple question. If a specific church has abolished contraception, should they be required to pay for it for other people, through their taxes?
churches are already exempt as they should be, but they should not be able to force insurance companies to violate the law just to please them either, they had this coverage ever sense insurance came into existence, never complained before, so is a political issue, not a religious one churches do not even pay taxes, they are exempt from those too, yet they have no issue collecting millions in tax payer dollars, that means they are accepting money from ever criminal that has paid taxes (same logic your using) .
I'll come back to this post in detail tomorrow, but for now, consider this: Even if all 46 of those districts engaged in fraud, does that add up to enough to reverse the election? How many total votes were involved? Considering that Cleveland is a heavily Democratic area where Obama would be expected to get a huge percentage of the vote anyway, how many additional votes could possibly be attributable to fraud? Obama won Ohio by more than 100,000 votes. You need to come up with enough votes to threaten that margin before you can make a claim that the election is potentially fraudulent. Once again, stuff like this happens in *every* election. It just doesn't happen on a scale large enough to affect the top-line results. You need to show that this time, the scale *is* large enough to affect the top-line results.
It doesnt matter why they are bringing it up. Not all churches are exempt. Your argument is, if they purchase insurance from the private sector, they are choosing to follow the regulations of that sector. However, they are forced by law into an agreement with the private sector through regulatory issues. Can any insurer in the usa provide services that don't include contraception?
ALL churches are exempt, businesses are not I do not know the answer to your second question as I have never looked to get a plan that covers less for the same amount as I am currently paying like you say some are what church's really want to do is stop insurers from covering their employees, maybe they should hire employee's with the same beliefs and then would not be a issue for them, cause they are still paying if the employee takes their paycheck and cashes it and then buys contraceptives (again, same logic) personally I am for universal health coverage, so businesses no longer have to worry about it .
Thats not the question. Can a church legally purchase insurance from an insurer who is not required to provide contraception?
yes, a church can tell the insurer not to cover this item even though it's included, a business can not insurers can issue a statement to the employee, "we do cover this for normal customers, but your employer requested us to deny you coverage, please see your employer for more details" .
As far as I know, all insurers must have that included in all plans. I've looked for some clarification and having problems. You got a link?
It's so joyful that we are moving toward a white minority, Muslim country!... I am so thankful.....and optimistic about my children's future....
I do not know which carriers created separate plans for church's, they do not have to, they can not be forced to, maybe the church will have to create their own provider
Is the loser the Christian Right, or the nation? America today finds that almost nothing we do today is wrong. It's now ok to abort a pregnancy for any reason. We no longer feel it's wrong to live together without marriage. Most Liberals believe we should legalize drugs. legalize marriage to same sex couples. We're no longer shocked that we need metal detectors to have our children enter their school. Your car and bike is no longer safe even with locks and alarms on them. We have more killings in our cities in one year, than we have lost in our ten year plus wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. It's now a sin to keep what you earn. We defend the Islamic religion and put down Christians. Parents are no longer allowed to spank their children. Fathers no longer feel a responsibility to support them. Instead of deporting illegals, we try and prosecute our law officers that try and arrest them. Where we once said, Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country, has changed to we want our country to do everything for us even though we seem to hate it. Is Christianity the big loser? I think not. You only have to look at the moral fiber of our nation today and see who the real loser is.
It's like George says, it's not the politicians that are the problem, it is the society that produces them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk It's like Ben Franklin said, once the people become corrupt the Republic will fold. Just look at what we have become in terms of our freedom. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bICwyV5ppLU&feature=related
over 70% of abortions are done by Christians... if Christians address those, that would be 70+ percent less abortions right there we have child support laws on the books now and no longer call little children names like bastards just cause mommy and daddy did not get married we defend all religions , we just do not support using tax payer dollars to promote religion . and as for bikes, they have been stolen even when I was little sadly, but there is something new coming out that may help http://www.gizmag.com/spybike-gps-tracker/22999/
Obama Rebuilds Mosques While Churches Burn frontpagemag.com/.../obama-rebuilds-mosques-while-churches-burn/ Sep 26, 2012 ... is spending millions to preserve mosques and minarets in 27 different Islamic countries. ... In recent days, Muslim clerics in at least 20 Islamic countries have used these ... So, given that, it's not surprising that the Obama administration's ..... Networks; Jamie Glazov Productions · Calendar · Student Center Now we have women having 2-3 or more kids, all with different fathers and have been married to none of them.
Do you ever use facts? Here are some. The four Presidential candidates in St. Lucie County, Florida, received a total of 123,708 votes. http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/FL According to the Statement of Votes Cast there is a total of 175,554 registered voters in that county. http://www.slcelections.com/Pdf Docs/2012 General/rescan/GEMS SOVC REPORT.pdf Your statement that there was a 141% voter turnout is completely wrong if not a deliberate outright lie. According to the Bible liars will end up in the lake of fire. Never lie about anything that can easily verified.
Indeed. Looking at the moral state of the nation I don't feel so bad as I watch it go down the tubes. It makes things much easier to watch.
Thing is that people don't want others to make personal decisions for them and the christian right is all for it. Single people probably care less about family values and more about pragmatic issues, women care more about their freedom of choice rather than the teachings of the bible so naturally the democrats took both the female vote and this of the singles . Accept it or not christian right is going nose down since the 15th century and funny enough when they are criticising expressions of islamic intolerance secular people don't see muslims but they see theists behaving bad I am very sad about all the fraud news coming from both sides , if your need to "win" defiles the principles of your republic what is the purpose of the democratic procedure ?
Leftists and Islamo's have a hatred for Christians, its their spiritual connection, tolerantly intolerant. The destruction of the America's spiritual conscience is nearly complete. The athiest agenda through the UN one world religion and education indoctrination is having its desired affect. The destruction of the family and the construction of the false narrative that Christianity is bad and the relience of such a message on the stupidity of the American public is a pathetic display of the work of Satan and his willing partners who do not even know thats what they are.
The rejection of social standards for the acceptence of the social depravity, good work their progressive leftists and willing unthinking of the globalist agenda.
Again, I do not have access to, or the time to go over, precinct-level results from 2008. Neither do you. I said, in a thread about the Philly precincts, that it's always a red flag when turnout is suspiciously high and the vote suspiciously lopsided. It should be investigated. What I *don't* do is jump to the assumption that it is fraud. As the St. Lucie example demonstrates, there are usually mundane explanations for what happened. Calling it "Soviet-style" is rather over-the-top, though. As I've said repeatedly, stuff like this happens in every election. There's always some idiot somewhere who tries to cheat at some precinct or another. It just isn't widespread. To be "Soviet-style", it would have to be systemic. It should, however, give pause. Conservatives were screaming about St. Lucie as a prime, incontrovertible example of fraud. It turned out to be nothing of the sort. That should make you reexamine your assumptions about the other cases -- maybe something like "there's no proof fraud occurred, but let's investigate to be sure." You think this is a problem new to the 2012 election? It's not. This one has been an issue for *decades*. You might as well question the results of every election in the past 30 years. Should the boards of election do a better job of cleaning up the rolls? Yes. Is there any indication that fraud has actually occurred because of this? No. In Colorado specifically, the GOP Secretary of State, Scott Gessler, launched a "voter purge" to remove ineligible voters from the rolls. Did he focus on problems like having lots of old names on the rolls? No. So clearly the state GOP didn't consider this a pressing issue. Instead, Gessler used motor-vehicle records to identify 4,000 suspected "noncitizens" who were registered to vote. That number was eventually whittled down to 44 people who were removed from the rolls, a whopping 7 of which had ever actually voted. http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/11/scott_gessler_fraudulent_voters.php So good on him: he may have prevented 7 illegal votes. Though that's not even clear, because people were removed from the rolls if they failed to respond to a letter asking them to prove their citizenship. So there's a reasonably good chance that some of the 44 people removed -- perhaps *all* of the 7 who voted -- were actually citizens after all. Sure there's a possibility of fraud. But that is not *evidence* of fraud. And like I said, it's a situation that has existed for decades; it's not new to 2012. It's a bit disingenous that people suddenly care deeply about this simply because the winner's name is Obama. Because the term correctly describes the full range of issues that plague any election, from administrative glitches, to honest mistakes, to actual fraud. Your *assume* fraud; my term *includes* fraud. A bank robbery is a bank robbery. Money suddenly going missing from a bank, however, is not necessarily a robbery. It could be a glitch, or a mistake, or something else. It is an irregularity that should be investigated. I did not claim "there are no problems". I have said this is not yet proof of fraud. It should be investigated, but we should not jump to conclusions. Those districts were expected to go heavily for Obama anyway. Obama gets 98% of the black vote. Why, then, would it be strange for an all-black precinct in a Democratic stronghold to deliver 98%+ to Obama? Look into it. But cool the cries of "fraud" until it's proven. and *especially* cool the claims of "a stolen election" until you show two things: 1. The cited instances were, in fact, fraud; 2. The fraud was on a large enough scale to call the overall election into question.
