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That definition has been changed in that book solely as a means to corrupt language. Therefore it is no longer valid.

 

Not in 31 states.

Oh brother, this tired old farce. Marriage means whatever we say it means, all words ate made up and meanings change. Even thought that isn't what is occurring here. A same sex couple wants to marry for the sane reason an opposite sex couple does. Now if you apply an esoteric meaning to marriage and you don't want to accept same sex marriage be my guest, but your meaning isn't the meaning.

So you are going with the purity of language argument? That is a good one.

And what duress this crap about minorities have to do with anything? They are still American citizens. This country is a constitutionally rules republic. Not a mob ruled dictatorship.

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A language that is in a constant state of flux cannot be corrupted by fluctuation of themeaning of one particular word.

Appeals to tradition are fallacious.

 

The English language is constantly changing, it is not a corruption of language it is the evolution of language. Actually the history of marriage includes same sex marriage.

 

You call it evolution, I call it corruption.

Basically it is simply lying about the meaning of the word. And the corruptors simply hope that if they tell the lie often enough people will accept it as truth. They especially like to target young impressionable children.

 

Interpret it how you wish. If it's a lie to you, I don't see how that is anybody's concern but yours.

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Anybody can think it's a lie, that is their right. And I wish them the best. But such opinions don't really matter

 

Does anybody REALLY believe that opponents of same-sex marriage give a rat's ass about "corrupting language"?


Seriously?

 

I did not realise you do not understand what corrupting a word means, it means actually changing the word, not its meaning. Usually this would be spelling or pronunciation.

 

please try and keep up. Feel free to review the video and explain what message the marchers are putting forth.

 

Really? That's all you've got to offer - a dictionary definition superseded by legal reality in several countries and now a majority of states in the USA?

This is not responsive to my points. Apparently you have entered this discussion unarmed and unprepared.

 

Why bother to read opinions that dissent from your own if you think they don't matter?

 

You have a strange idea about what is "impossible". Where same-sex couples are able to legally marry, there is no requirement that both parties be gay.

It seems to me that you don't know what you're talking about. I know the meaning of the word and its origins. I also understand that words are symbolic representations. The combination of letters composing the word 'marriage' have no meaning on their own. They derive their meaning from the ability of people to apply them conceptually, and the ability of others to understand the meaning of a word when it is used. Over time, words can take on additional meanings, their meaning can shift, and the original concept can be applied in new ways. Whether you like it or not, our usage of the word marriage has experienced all of these changes, and our concept of what a marriage is has also changed over time.

For starters, you don't own the language, and you can't control how it is used. Moreover, your viewpoint of what constitutes corruption of the language is not universally shared.

As for your slurs, I see no value in engaging someone who has already passed judgment on me, condemning me as a "disgusting pervert". So I'll be ignoring you henceforth - no need for your to respond.

 

nice cherry picking of a comment, now how about explaining how the origin of the word marriage does not mention one man and one woman .. or do you only adhere to language being corrupted when it suits your own purpose.

Marriage from Vulgar Latin *maritaticum (11c.), from Latin maritatus, past participle of maritatre "to wed, marry, give in marriage"

 

You understand your position is based only on your bigotry

 

Well they matter in the realm of discussion. But not legally. And clearly you aren't interested in discussion because you refer to people who do something you don't like as perverts.

Why bother posting on a discussion board if you have no interest in discussion?

 

It also means the act of uniting a man and a man, or a woman and a woman for life, wedlock, the legal Union of a man and a man,mor a woman and a woman for life.

 

I think that you may have gaged on that hairball cutting of oxygen to your brain

 

you are entitled to your opinion.

We are entitled to challenge your attempt at legalized discrimination because the founding document of our nation enshrines equal freedom to all.

That is why a majority of states have legalized gay marriage and that number will continue to grow until all fifty states have legalized gay marriage.

 

I saw the video. What is your point?

 

No thanks it is much more relevant to the thread to review how tactics like your posting of the video have always been used to discredit equal rights movements. All I saw in your video was a few blokes having a good time and celebrating their personalities, nothing to be scared of, which nicely brings me on to my next comment on the threads subject.

[U]Xenophobia[/U]

I must admit to having never been much interested in LGBT rights until I was reading some threads on this forum. But it really struck me just how xenophobic the anti-LGBT rights posters appear to be. One compared being made to write a slogan on a cake with being forced to kiss a man in a cell. Think about the mindset that equates the two scenarios, I am pretty sure anyone would be scared of being locked in a cell with a sexual predator capable of forcing you to kiss them, be they man or women. There appears to be some real terror going on here in the mind of the homophobe. Everyone is slightly xenophobic I would argue, it is taught to us as children to be wary of the stranger, but as we grow up most of us see it for what it is and overcome it. Learning that if you're black or white, gay or straight we are all just people. However some never rise above that and continue to feel threatened by what they do not understand or disagree with.
Public displays by gays especially the ostentatious must look terrifying to a homophobe, as would public displays of affection. "I dont want to see it" which I often hear touted by the homophobes really gives the game away. Why would it matter to them that two other adults are showing affection for each other, unless they are scared of it?

The LGBT community might want to appreciate that they are a lot less scared of homophobes than homophobes are scared of them.

 

That's right. And since I am a hell of a lot smarter than you, you should take my opinion into consideration rather than dismiss it for no logical reason.

 

How do you know?

 

Your argument and condescension drastically disparages and contradicts your statement.

Your views seem to be based on nothing but your own personal bias.

 

Sorry. You have not demonstrated a lot of smarts here. Just appeals to ignorance and obvious bias and bigotry. Can you actually present an argument against marriage equality?

 

I so thank you for the encouragement DevilMay but I also have to admit that I feel kind of ashamed of myself for taking so long to be able to really understand what was being shown on this issue by near death experiencer Christian Andreason.

http://www.politicalforum.com/gay-l...rs-understand-nde-comments-gay-community.html

Sincere apologies for taking 5 years to understand NDE comments on Gay Community!



I personally am ashamed of myself for being a Christian who could not understand this message for about five years!!!!!

http://www.near-death.com/andreason.html#a09

On the plus side.... the fact that I kept reading Christian's Andreason's book and comparing it with scriptures until I came to completely agree with what Christian wrote... indicates that many somewhat right wing thinkers..... like I once was....... can be changed if they are given the right information..... and if it is presented in a diplomatic manner.....as Christian certainly did do!

Chapter 10 of his book is all about the issue of sex:

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

Well that line of thinking that gays are getting special rights is false as well. If SSM is legalized even heterosexuals can marry someone of the same sex. Equal rights.