Any Study Of 'Gun Violence' Should Include How Guns Save Lives

Except for the fact that it is not. Not when it is a service being provided to the public, who must pay in order to be presented access to the service, subject to terms and conditions for the service to be rendered. If it were a constitutional right, passengers could not be removed on the basis of how they choose to dress.

But not operation of a motor vehicle on a public right of way.

Such is the opinion of yourself. But it is not fact. Nor has any effort on the part of yourself actually been made to demonstrate what is and is not fact. Merely claiming someone to be wrong does not make them wrong by mere virtue of yourself claiming such.

Come back with proof to show those on the no-fly list are indeed known terrorists, or drop the erroneous claim.

 

Do not post a link to a site and expect others to do the work of studying material you cannot even be bothered to present yourself, and then complain about their supposed lack of references.

 

Aren't you the one with a pro-violence agenda? Lives are more important than guns.

 

Trump gets most of his financing from Russia. You see no problem ? Russia is a criminal government.

more woo woo.

 

That may make sense to your buddies, but not in the real world.

 

Trump is so involved with compromising foreign influence, he can’t even show his tax returns, Trump is an elfin fraud. But that’s ok with Trumpaholics.

 

The United States borrows huge amounts from Russia...over 400 billion when last I checked, and well over 1 trillion to China. That didn’t magically happen under Trump.

As for Trump, neither you or anyone else knows how much financing the Trump gets from Russian investors (no can show how much he gets it from the Russian Government in the form tax or other incentives) or for that matter from any other international investors.

As for seeing an issue, it is common practice in any large business to attract international investors; damn the Trump .org and you might as well damn a huge number of large American businesses, including much of the Tech industry and the Clintons.

The measure here isn’t foreign money, it’s weather any have been charged with violating the law. The IRS has seen the books of the Trump .org and considering 8 years of that time approaching the 2016 elections was an IRS operating under Obama and accused of political targeting of conservative groups and knowing of Trump’s presidential aspirations, if they identified anything nefarious they would have made criminal referrals ... never happened.

All you have is an ignorance of international investment behavior, a hate for Trump (and the NRA), baseless slanderous insinuations of throwing around the term ‘Russia’ as an attempt to use fabricated smoke as fact of wrong doing.

As is emerging, not only did the US massively increase US debt during the Obama years, but largely ignored, and allowed any Russian threat to grow unimpeded by a foreign policy of appeasement and ignore the cyber threat that was evolving and obviously metabolizing, as the Mueller report details, under their watch prior to Trump taking office.

Hook, line and sinker. And, like those that can’t shake the hook even after the bate is gone, you are still spouting the Left’s political and social dogma, chants and manufactured vaporous facts to fewer and fewer takers. Please continue, you like many in the MS media, are losing credibility ( you have none) by the boatload, and will be why Trump wins in 2020.

 

Wayne Lapierre getting lots of free stuff from the NRA dues paying members......1/2 million worth of free stuff.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...-show-more-than-500000-in-alleged-spending-by

 

Ha ha
Wayne Lapierre after more free stuff....a half million worth. Typical free loader who wants the members to pay his way. Get a load of the threads.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...-show-more-than-500000-in-alleged-spending-by

 

More woo woo and nothing ness. No denial that you don’t want felons, the insane and minors to be regulated,

 

There you go, side stepping again from Trump back to the NRA. Again, typical of your MO. Desperately trying to give oxygen to your narratives that target those swayed by the Left’s continued doubling down on their dogma.
As for your post, the big question is, outside of the context of the NRA, so what? It’s an issue for the board and membership. One not hidden from the Board as Meadows indicated in your linked article.
“NRA President Carolyn Meadows told the newspaper in a statement that the “entire board is fully aware of these issues. We have full confidence in Wayne LaPierre.”
Without knowing details and specifics, anyone from the outside of the Board, can only speculate on justification, spinning any way they want.
That the NRA board, assuming Meadows is correct, has full confidence in LaPierre and recently ousted North coupled with the NRA reinstating LaPierre amid their power struggle means whatever justification was presented by LaPierre to the board, passed their muster. Will that stand? We will see, but your ignorance of the NRA doesn’t afford you any more than a spurious opinion and spin. Like any large organization based on a contributing membership, ultimately, it’s members will decide what they want, not the opinions of the MS media, you, or GCA’s trying to sow discord among their political opposition.

 

No side step.
Trump was financed to the tune of 30 million by the nra. Of which, who knows how much he put in his own coffers.
It’s a bunch of criminals supporting a criminal that were too crooked even for convicted felon Ollie North to hang with.
Amazing, the criminal nra had a criminal president and now a thief for a CEO who steals from the NRA budget to get free stuff.

 

Felons and the mentally ill are barred from so much as touching a gun, but you already know that.

Do you really think your empty rhetoric and propaganda is going to sway anyone??

The terrorism "watch list" is a political hit list. There is no due process to be placed on that list. Teddy Kennedy was on the list. Infant children were on the list. No way to find out how you were placed on the list.... and no way to get off of it. Again, you show your contempt for the most basic Constitutional freedoms and liberties.

Laws which infringe upon the rights of the law-abiding are amoral laws. The cowardice of those who refuse to accept responsibility for their own security is not a reason to infringe upon the rights of those who don't.

 

No, you are. You want to create a safe and full victim pool for the criminal underclass. People can choose to exercise their right to self-defense... but if they choose not to exercise their rights, then THEY are the ones throwing their lives away.

 

So why doesn't this happen in any other developed country then ? Your murder rate is 4 - 5 times that of theirs primarily as a consequence of your firearms. Go into as much denial as you want about that but the math just doesn't go away

 

In the real world where one wishes to be taken seriously in their message, they actually go about laying out the evidence in full view for their target audience to see. They do not demand the target audience do the work necessary to prove them being factually correct.

 

It does. It merely goes unreported by the international news.

The murder rate of the united states is higher than the rate of other countries even without firearms. It is a violent, bloody nation plagued with infighting. It is ultimately no different than the nation of Mexico. Take away the firearms and its homicide rate due to all other means would still exceed the homicide rate of every other so-called first world nation.

 

That’s not what I said. You’re against requiring them to have a background check.

 

I guess you never heard Trump speak, if you can call it that

 

Good to hear you’re sticking up for Ted. Maybe there’s hope, nah.

 

That is easily the most uninformed statement you have ever made among the intentional falsehoods you make every time you post. We have more guns then anyone. So, you’re now saying, guns don’t make us safer either. This is a huge Trumpism. You guys deserve each’s rhetoric.

 

Your math is bogus by any rational standard; not that you'll ever accept that.

America is a nation based in personal freedom and liberty. That, admittedly, opens the door to more misbehaviors by the people. Freedom is, by its very nature, a dangerous proposition. But, when a free people accept their own responsibilities that come with living in a free society, they are fully capable of regulating themselves and will be safer. Sadly, the political ideology that includes gun control advocacy also rejects personal responsibility and bemoans self-regulation, and the sheep bury their heads and fail their duties to themselves, their families, and their community.

If the American people recognized this, and accepted shouldering their share of the responsibility for their own personal security and safety, we would have a far safer society. But, thanks to people like you, people reject their responsibilities and seek to trade their freedoms for security provided by an overarching government... and are shocked when their liberties die.

 

I'm against someone placed on a bogus list without due process having their rights stripped from them.

Background checks assume guilty until proven innocent; absolute anathema to our founding ideals. We don't ask anyone to do a background check or show identification to exercise any other Constitutional right.

 

Wayne, just one more nra hypocrite.

 

How, exactly, are they helping criminals? Why would criminals want their victims armed?