Any Study Of 'Gun Violence' Should Include How Guns Save Lives

Completely delusional.

 

Yes you are and proving it true with each new post.

 

Oh good! You're back. You were claiming how the NRA wants to help criminals and I gave you an example of how gun laws in Los Angeles help criminals by providing unarmed victims. You dodged and took a cheap shot, but never addressed my post. Can you please explain why you would support disarming innocent citizens?

 

I asked you to quote the regulation in California that backs up your claim. You’ve yet to do it.

 

No, you mistakenly thought I was referring to the state and told me I should go take a geography class. While CCWs are difficult to get in the state, LA makes it impossible for regular citizens to get one. Only law enforcement, judges, and criminals carry guns in Los Angeles.

https://www.breitbart.com/local/201...led-carry-permits-for-10-2-million-residents/

 

The regulation in question is the "may issue" status of issuing concealed carry permits. Law enforcement officers tasked with issuing said permits have absolute discretion in determining who does and does not get a permit, and no two counties or cities are ever the same in their standards of issuance.

 

And as haven been proven by some recent arrests, certain areas like NY City thousands of dollars in bribe money must be paid before a permit will be issued.

 

“May issue “ is no more a regulation then “shall not be infringed “ is the second amendment.
What is the regulation ? Falsifying statements by just stating phrases is dishonest. What is the regulation ?

 

Because you just admitted to changing the subject from the NRA.
You’re the one changing the subject from the NRA. The NRA promotes a war zone mentality so everyone is armed .
If arming the citizens decreases gun vilolence, why doesn’t the US lead the world in fewest gun deaths ?

 

Wow, breitbart. Why don’t you just advertise you’re a fan of a rag that supports fake news and white supremacy.

 

The regulation in question is the law pertaining to concealed carry in the state of California, which is "may issue" in terms of scope. This is compared to states that are "shall issue" meaning everyone who applies for a concealed carry permit and does not have a disqualifying criminal record must be issued a permit upon completion of the requirements.

 

Then, for some reason, you’re still afraid to quote the regulation, aren’t you. Still cherry picking. I see. You can’t say “shall issue” when a person is disqualified. By the way, has it been successfully challenged ? No.
Quote THE REGULATION.

 

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/...ision=5.&title=4.&part=6.&chapter=4.&article=

Penal Code - PEN
PART 6. CONTROL OF DEADLY WEAPONS [16000 - 34370]
( Part 6 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
TITLE 4. FIREARMS [23500 - 34370]
( Title 4 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
DIVISION 5. CARRYING FIREARMS [25300 - 26405]
( Division 5 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
CHAPTER 4. License to Carry A Pistol, Revolver, or Other Firearm Capable of Being Concealed Upon the Person [26150 - 26225]
( Chapter 4 added by Stats. 2010, Ch. 711, Sec. 6. )
26150.

(a) When a person applies for a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, the sheriff of a county may issue a license to that person upon proof of all of the following:

(1) The applicant is of good moral character.

(2) Good cause exists for issuance of the license.

(3) The applicant is a resident of the county or a city within the county, or the applicant’s principal place of employment or business is in the county or a city within the county and the applicant spends a substantial period of time in that place of employment or business.

(4) The applicant has completed a course of training as described in Section 26165.

(b) The sheriff may issue a license under subdivision (a) in either of the following formats:

(1) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(2) Where the population of the county is less than 200,000 persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a license to carry loaded and exposed in only that county a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(c) (1) Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the sheriff of the county from entering into an agreement with the chief or other head of a municipal police department of a city to process all applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, or amendments to licenses pursuant to this chapter, in lieu of the sheriff.

(2) This subdivision shall only apply to applicants who reside within the city in which the chief or other head of the municipal police department has agreed to process applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this chapter.

(Amended by Stats. 2015, Ch. 785, Sec. 2. (AB 1134) Effective January 1, 2016.)

Is the matter understood now? Or is this petulant child routine going to continue?

 

And subsection 2 is what they use to deny all but favored applicants.

Back in 1982 I applied for a carry permit in Broward County, I paid the $500 non-refundable application fee, completed the BSO background check, passed the BSP polygraph, was signed off by a BSO shrink and supplied two character references.

A month later I was ordered to appear before the Broward County Board of Commissioners, a commissioner by the name of Howard Foreman reviewed my application and denied it stating carrying a gun while working as a licensed Recovery Agent (repo man) was not good cause to be approved.

 

I am not the one who changed the subject. Your claim was that the NRA helps criminals and I refuted your claim with an example of how gun control is helping criminals by providing them with unarmed victims. In Los Angeles, only law enforcement, judges, and criminals carry guns here. Can you please address issue?

 

The regulation is they don't have to issue you a license even though you qualify.
Bad enough they restrict a right by license, here they are not even obligated to give you the license if you comply with the law.

 

While I am not a fan of breitbart, this is not something you will see from sources that lean the other direction. In Los Angeles, only law enforcement, judges, and criminals carry guns. Why are you afraid to address this issue?

 

So, where is the regulation ? Quote it.

 

No, because only Breitbart give the kkk and white supremicist free access to their publications.

 

I’ll address it when you quote the regulation itself instead of giving the nra story line. Afraid to quote it ?

 

Its been quoted for you more than once you anemic attempts at deflection are annoying

 

So, which of these do you have a disagreement with ?
(1) The applicant is of good moral character.

(2) Good cause exists for issuance of the license.

(3) The applicant is a resident of the county or a city within the county, or the applicant’s principal place of employment or business is in the county or a city within the county and the applicant spends a substantial period of time in that place of employment or business.

(4) The applicant has completed a course of training as described in Section 26165.

 

As long as you only quote several words and assume it’s the full regulation, it’s BS.

 

You see, this is how we know you don't know what you're talking about. What is the rub has been explained, more than once. FFS its BOLDED.


"a) When a person applies for a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, the sheriff of a county may issue a license to that person upon proof of all of the following:"

^ The word "may" needs to be "shall".
As it stands now you can meet 1 2 3 & 4 and the official has the complete and total discretion to deny you anyway "may" issue, not "shall". May is discretionary language in US jurisprudence, not mandatory language.
If you're going to unconstitutionally restrict the right by licensing it back to the people, you at the very least must ACTUALLY license it back to them when you don't have good cause to deny them.