Are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's grandchildren: Palestinians?????

DennisTate · Jan 19, 2024

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I don't know. It is my understanding that the numbers of Jews and Palestinians who have always inhabited that land is very small. And that the vast majority of todays so called Palestinians are the offspring of people from all over the middle east, who came to the area as migrant workers at the turn of the last century, and stayed. They (the great majority) aren't and never have been indigenous. As a causal observer from the other side of the earth, it seems to me to be a hellish situation to be born into, with all the animosity and the combative, dominating nature of Islam.
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As you know.....
I am struggling with many, many, many questions and I have far more questions than answers to most issues confronting The Bride of Messiah, the Church of today.

This week I was reminded of something that really shocked me.......

About fifteen or twenty years ago I saw a telecast where Pastor Benny Hinn reported that he had been met by Mr. Yasar Arafat in a dream......
and Yasar Arafat had said to him.....:
"Tell my people what the Bible says!"
"Tell my people what the Bible says!"
"Tell my people what the Bible says!"

I am almost certain that Mr. Yasar Arafat..... who had already died... said this sentence to Pastor Benny Hinn THREE TIMES!!!

I believe that this means that Pastor Benny Hinn has what could be termed a "Moses / Moshe" type of calling to the Palestinian people!

Now that I am living here in Mississauga.....
I feel that I am supposed to attempt to set him up for this new phase of his ministry to the best of my ability.

It is actually because of an unusual meeting that Pastor Benny had here in Toronto that it finally hit me that Pastor Benny had a calling on his life.....
that actually could be termed "Mosaic" but............... I admit it.......
I am on a very different page from him on many, many, many, many questions.......

but.... here is an edited e-mail that I sent to somebody a week or two about his two meetings with my wife..... in a massive crowd that was in the range of twenty thousand people each time.... but Pastor Benny Hinn walked up to my wife and gave her a prophecy at both meetings..... in spite of the huge crowd.

.... "I know about how Pastor Benny Hinn prophesied to Dr. Zadai around 1987 or so.

I felt that he would want to hear about how Pastor Benny Hinn prophesied to my future third wife
in 1993 and 1994.

If I remember correctly from al that she told me.....
my wife went to a Pastor Benny Hinn Crusade in Bogota Colombia in 1993.

My wife was up in the balcony..... pastor friends of hers who had met her in Quito, saw her from
near the front... and called her down from the balcony.

When Pastor Benny Hinn came into the auditorium... he stopped on the way to the stage.....
walked over to my wife and he essentially told her....... "You are going to travel all over the world working for Jesus and Jesus is going to give you a foreign husband."

At the time my future wife understood that to mean that her then husband Mr. C..... ....... would
repent and become like a new person.

About a year or so later Pastor Benny Hinn does a crusade in Quito, Ecuador and again.....
on the way to the podium he stops and gives my future wife essentially the same prophecy again.

Pastor Carlos Luna also gave my wife essentially the same prophecy as well.
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Benny Hinn Exposes the Truth: 'Worst 3 Years of My Life'
SHAWN A. AKERS

Benny Hinn says that the years 2010 to 2012 were the "worst three years of my life." But, Hinn says, God knows exactly what He is doing and he used those tribulations to help mold him into a much better man today.

During a private event at Charisma Media Tuesday, Hinn said God helped him better understand the meaning of the anointing that is on both his life and his position as a minister of the gospel. There were lessons learned from previous years from his relationship with Oral Roberts that were brought to memory that helped him through the fiery trials of that three-year period.

Those lessons have led him to write a new book called Mysteries of the Anointing, which is due to publish in April 2022.

In January of 2010, Hinn and his wife of more than 30 years, Suzanne, officially separated and filed for a divorce in California. When the divorce became final, it was devastating to both him and his family.

"Divorce is harmful and destructive, not only to the couple but to the people around you," Hinn says. "Those three years were not good at all, for anybody. During the day, I would always be on the phone with lawyers—my lawyer and Suzanne's lawyers—and then I would go and preach at night. It was quite painful.

"Your prayer life begins to die because you're simply in survival mode. I would walk off the platform feeling like I hadn't preached well for obvious reasons It's a time when my spiritual life was in a very bad place. I still had the anointing on me to preach, but the anointing worked in a way that I couldn't figure it out. The anointing that comes on me when I preach, however, has nothing to do with my life. The Holy Spirit gave me this truth, and everything started to come back together again and now I couldn't be happier."

Hinn said it took the end of his and Suzanne's marriage to wake him up and he believes the Lord used it to show him that as a man of God and a man he could not function properly without his wife and family. He says it's the best thing that could have happened to him because he came to placed where he humbled himself and realized his priorities were wrong.

Hinn and his wife began the reconciliation process Christmas in 2011. The two remarried in 2013 and Hinn says God brought healing and complete restoration to their marriage.
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One obvious possible aspect of how Pastor Benny Hinn is being taught through his personal problems.... is that the Palestinian people went through a Great Falling Away... and their modern great, great, great, great, great... grandchildren are not at all in the same mentality as Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and the one hundred and twenty Messianic Jews who were gathered together for Pentecost in Acts chapter two!

DennisTate · Apr 30, 2024

I just saw a message that I could not help but reply to:

Prince Sunny
...A well known Israeli Christian Televangelist, Pastor Benny Hinn in a video an hour ago on Facebook has apologized to his members over his false teachings on prosperity, sowing of seed and monetizing the gospel.

According to the pastor while pleading with the entire Christian body to forgive him, he doesn't want to be rejected in Heaven on the last day. He also went further to say that he wanted to say this long ago but be couldn't.

According to Pastor Benny Hinn from the video: "The flesh must be out of the way for men to make it to Heaven on the last day. Teaching on prosperity is a feel good message. I am sorry to say this that prosperity has gone a little beat crazier this time around and today, I want to correct my own theology about prosperity gospels, sowing of seeds and monetization of the gospel. When I read the Bible now, I don't see it with the same eye I saw it 20 years ago.

"The Magazine will normally publish was from my father-in-law. I inherited it because I married his daughter. It was a channel for monetizing the Gospel. It is an offense to the Holy Spirit when we receive money on those materials. The gospel is totally free. I am done with anything prosperity gospel and monetization of the gospels.

"This is the first time in my life that I am saying this and I don't care what people think about me anymore. I know many will not invite me anymore and I don't care. I don't want to be rejected on the last day. If you are not giving because you love Jesus, don't bother giving. Giving is making me sick to my stomach and I am free from it now, I don't want to hear anything about sowing of seed anymore.

"I am truly sorry for all these years of false teachings. Please forgive me and do away with my messages on prosperity and sowing of seed".
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I replied :

"But something interesting about Pastor Benny Hinn is that he does have a prophetic gift. My wife, M.... J... was at one of his meetings in Bogota, Colombia in 1993. There were twenty thousand people in the audience. She was in the balcony. Friends of hers from Quito, Ecuador saw her and invited her to sit with them near the front of the auditorium.

.. On his way to the podium... Pastor Benny Hinn stopped and walked over to my wife.... He told her that she was going to travel all over the world working for Jesus and that Yeshua would give her "a foreign husband." Obviously.. this assisted my wife to end up married to me.... and she was also told that she would have a daughter... our daughter just got her driver's license today, [G-2 here in Ontario].

... Because I felt that I was in debt to him somehow I listened to him quite a lot and.... I heard him receive a dream... in which he met Mr. Yassar Arafat. Arafat told him three times... "tell my people what the Bible says!"..... Benny Hinn is gifted..... and... like him I would plead guilty to have lots of flies in the ointment in those 31,000 plus messages that I wrote on political forum. Often it takes Messiah Yeshua ten or fifteen years to show me where I am significantly off on an idea or thought pattern?????????"

... "I wrote something today that i suspect you might find quite interesting... and so might" ........

HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER HEARD OF THE PROPHECY ABOUT A GREAT WEALTH TRANSFER FROM THE WICKED TO THE RIGHTEOUS?

I just got back an exceptionally good reply on this topic from somebody who represents a major Pro-Life organization.

"It's an interesting topic. Abortion vs. UBI cannot be tested in a vacuum though; I'd be curious to see the data from pilot studies. It would also vary greatly from region to region, depending on the local laws (or lack of laws). Thanks for sharing this!" [March for Life Canada]
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I feel that I have a question for them to consider that will take this very basic idea and link it to a question that is relevant to all forty one million Canadians.....
and all three hundred and thirty million Americans.......
as well as to members of the Pro-Life Movement in every nation on earth that has any level of freedom of speech at all.

My reply question is.....
is former Atheist and near death experiencer Mr. Howard Storm essentially correct that the entire world economy could well be
driven into something that would rival The Great Depression of the 1930's?

Near death experiencer Howard Storm, near-death .com :

4. The Future of the U.S. and the World
Because of my fear of a nuclear holocaust I asked if there was going to be a nuclear war in the world, and they said no. That astonished me, and I gave them this extensive explanation of how I had lived under the threat of nuclear war. That was one of the reasons I was who I was. I figured, when I was in this life, that it was all sort of hopeless; the world was going to blow up anyway, and nothing made much sense. In that context I felt I could do what I wanted, since nothing mattered.
They said, “No, there isn’t going to be any nuclear war.”

I asked if they were absolutely sure there wasn’t going to be nuclear war. They reassured me again, and I asked them how they could be so sure.
Their response was: “God loves the world.” They told me that at the most, one or two nuclear weapons might go off accidentally, if they weren’t destroyed, but there wouldn’t be a nuclear war.

I then asked them how come there had been so many wars. They said that they allowed those few to happen, out of all the wars that humanity tried to start. Out of all the wars that humans tried to create, they allowed a few, to bring people to their senses and to stop them.

Science, technology, and other benefits, they told me, had been gifts bestowed on humanity by them – through inspiration. People had literally been led to those discoveries, many of which had later been perverted by humanity to use for its own destruction.

We could do too much damage to the planet. And by the planet, they meant all of God’s creation. Not just the people, but the animals, the trees, the birds, the insects, everything.

They explained to me that their concern was for all the people of the world. They weren’t interested in one group getting ahead of other groups. They want every person to consider every other person greater than their own flesh. They want everyone to love everyone else, completely; more, even, than they love themselves. If someone, someplace else in the world hurts, then we should hurt, we should feel their pain. And we should help them. Our planet has evolved to the point, for the first time in our history, that we have the power to do that. We are globally linked. And we could become one people.

The people that they gave the privilege of leading the world into a better age, blew it. That was us, in the United States.

When I spoke with them about the future, and this might sound like a cop-out on my part, they made clear to me that we have free will.

If we change the way we are, then we can change the future which they showed me. They showed me a view of the future, at the time of my experience, based upon how we in the United States were behaving at that time. It was a future in which a massive worldwide depression would occur. If we were to change our behavior, however, then the future would be different.

Asking them how it would be possible to change the course of many people, I observed that it was difficult, if not impossible, to change anything on Earth. I expressed the opinion that it was a hopeless task to try.

My friends explained, quite clearly, that all it takes to make a change was one person. One person, trying, and then because of that, another person changing for the better. They said that the only way to change the world was to begin with one person. One will become two, which will become three, and so on. That’s the only way to affect a major change." [Near death experiencer Mr. Howard Storm, near-death .com].

"Your theology and a Basic Minimum Income?"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/your-theology-and-a-basic-minimum-income.605034/page-5#post-1074777319
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In my opinion... here is where Pastor Benny Hinn and so many others went off track in the past.......

We humans tend to strain out gnats while we are swallowing camels... and the following statement is A BIG ONE!!!!!

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." [MATTHEW 18:6]

WHAT IS THE NUMBER ONE WAY IN WHICH CHRISTIAN EVANGELISTS OFFEND "LITTLE ONES????"

BY ASKING FOR MONEY.. AND THEN MORE MONEY... AND THEN FOR MORE MONEY THAN THAT!!!!!!!!!!!???????

and yes... for dogmatically linking the level at which somebody is being blessed.... with how much MONEY they are being given...... and by how much money they give to ministries!!!!!!!!!????

DennisTate · May 25, 2024

Dayton3 said: ↑
"Which other Muslim nation wants them?"
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True..... no Islamic nation wants the Palestinians...........

In Iraq for example they were regarded as being too OBEDIENT TO SADDAM...........

too hard working.......

too industrious..........

and too intelligent and too creative..............

Native born Iraqis could NOT COMPETE WITH PALESTINIANS!!!!!!!!!????????

Most native citizens of truly Arab nations REGARD PALESTINIANS AS BEING TOO "JEWISH????!!!!"

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[Wikipedia, Tsvi Misinai] .... " Tsvi Jekhorin Misinai (Hebrew: צבי מסיני; born 15 April 1946) is an Israeli researcher, writer, historian, computer scientist and entrepreneur. A pioneer of the Israeli software industry,[1] he now spends most of his time researching and documenting the common Hebrew roots he believes shared by world Jewry and the Palestinians (including Arab citizens of Israel)

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Misinai first heard about the "Hebrew origins of Palestinians" theory from his father, Kha'yim Avraham, who served in the Royal Artillery in the Second World War. His interest was rekindled after the 1991 Gulf War, when there was talk about a new order in the Middle East. After the failure of the Oslo Accords that led to the commencement of the Al-Aqsa Intifada in 2000, he abandoned his career as a Computer scientist and devoted his entire life to investigating the Jewish roots of Palestinians. He now spends his entire time tracking down Palestinians who acknowledge their Jewish heritage, and lobbying ministers, ambassadors, religious leaders and activists in both communities.[5] Misinai, and his team of Arabs and Jews, have embarked on a mission of trying to bring peace to Israel through a unique and controversial project called "The Engagement".

Project on Palestinians[edit]

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Tsvi Misinai claims that the majority of the Palestinian people—including those with Israeli citizenship or residency, known variously as Arab citizens of Israel, Arab Israelis, Israeli Arabs, including the Bedouin Arabs of Israel—are descendants of the ancient Hebrews, as most of the world's Jewish ethnic divisions are.[6] Furthermore, he claims that at least half of them are quietly aware of this fact.[7]

According to Misinai, unlike the ancestors of the modern day Jews who were city dwellers to a large extent, the Hebrew ancestors of the Palestinians were rural dwellers, and were allowed to remain in the land of Israel to work the land and supply Rome with grain and olive oil.[5]

Misinai states the topic of Hebrew origin was spoken of openly by Palestinians until relatively recent history, much like the Egyptians or Lebanese are aware of their origins in the ancient Egyptians and Phoeniciansrespectively, even if these ancestral origin topics arouse the passions in those countries among those wishing to either stress or de-emphasise them.[8]

As with other "Arabs" whose local indigenous non-Arab origins became relegated issues over time, the Hebrew origin of Palestinians also became a relegated issue over time. For the Palestinians, however, the additional emergence of Zionism in the early 19th century introduced a quandary complicating an unbiased assessment to either acknowledge or deny the local indigenous non-Arab ancestry of a culturally and linguistically Arabized people. In the context of the Palestinians, this quandary was a competing national interest in the land they inhabited. Arab nationalism for Palestinians would thus serve as a counter-force vis-à-vis Zionism. The topic of the Palestinians’ ancestral Hebrew origin thus became admonished. Then, the establishment of modern Israel by world Jewry, having transpired to the detriment of the Palestinians, transformed the topic of the Palestinians’ Hebrew origin into a liability in the historical narrative for either side to admit, ultimately becoming the object of outright hostility.[8]

Conversions and Arabization

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As a result of remaining in the Land of Israel, the ancestors of the Palestinians partially converted to Christianity during the Byzantine era. Later, with the coming of Islam, they were Islamized through a combination of mainly forced conversions, but also nominal conversions (that is, conversions for form's sake to derive benefits as Muslims, and avoid tributes owed by non-Muslims in Muslim-ruled lands) and others yet out of genuine theological conviction.[5]

Conversion to Islam occurred progressively throughout the successive periods of foreign elite minority rule over Palestine, both on an individual basis and en masse, starting with the conversions during the various dynasties of Arabian Muslim rulers from the initial Muslim conquest of Palestine. Following these came rule by Muslim non-Arab dynasties such as the Ayyubids (Kurdish Muslim), Mamluks (Turkic Muslim) and finally the Ottomans (Turkish Muslim).[6] This continuous phase of elite minority foreign Islamic rule over a local indigenous (now largely Muslim) mass was only briefly interrupted by the elite minority foreign Christian rule by the European Crusaders, which lasted from 1099 until their expulsion by the Mameluks in 1291 " [Wikipedia, Tsvi Misinai]
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Are Matthew, Mark, Luke and John's grandchildren: Palestinians?????

Could the Palestinians be largely the grandchildren of the first century Messianic Jewish community?

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Wow.... I guess it is difficult to argue with modern genetic research!!!???

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