Are private schools really better than public schools?

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  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well, it should be made illegal if the states are funding religious instruction.

    The state has no right whatsoever to be funding religious "activities", unless it funds ALL RELIGIOUS ACTIVITIES.

    Separation of Church and State - read about it here - excerpt:
     
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    Private schools are much better if you don't count the private Evangelical schools that sprang up in the early 1970s.
     
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    So the sum total of your response is.... you have nothing valuable to share, no analysis of my observations except that you "feel" that you need to demonstrate your ability to string word soup together that didn't either respond or otherwise address what I pointed out. So, your answer is, change the subject and whine about what you clearly don't understand.
     
  4. LafayetteBis

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    Piffle 'n drivel.

    Moving right along ...
     
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    LOL... yes. yes you should.... And take your mirror with you...
     
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    If you want a real world answer layoff all truant officers, get rid of the mandatory attendance laws, and give parents the freedom of choice to decide if their children will attend public schools or not.

    There's no tuition for public schools, yet the powers that be have to force parents to force their children to attend public schools.
     
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    Well my alma mater didn't take any government money it was approved as in was authorized to issue High School diplomas having met the standards of the State which was the same content as public school and in addition had religious instruction. They can make small changes like I could count Accounting classes for mathematics since the curriculum could have differences based on disability and I could do mathematics well just never got algebra or geometry very well. But couldn't neglect it they had to approve the number of credits at the time it was 2 credits and now its 4 credits but can include vocations mathematics like if you took shop class and it used math for the year it could count as two credits, accounting also two credits, drafting 2 credits and such but half has to be other classes I would have not graduated under the current demands. But they offer a Completion Diploma now for we dummies.

    My cousins school didn't bother the High School Diploma has issues its of little use for going to college and into the military to do that one needs 15 college credits and they offered via distance learning college level classes in English, Mathematics, History, Literature and other subjects via an accredited colleges these can be secular. Once you earn 15 credits the military doesn't care and if one earns these a community college is also not an issue. More education is frowned on unless in the armed forces as part of ones work. Well men are to support their wives who take care of the home and children so they need more education and a career or trade, women don't.

    Its changing I know New York State is opening cases against the Ultraorthodox Jewish Schools ,Conservative Jewish Schools are often excellent, the Amish are likely going to be next since really not having even a High School Diploma is not asking much and they will fight it so it will come down to the courts. I'm not for demanding the same curriculum as a public school however some standards should be demanded of any school or the education should be deemed on the parents not the schools as causing neglect. But the courts might side with the schools and religious groups.
     
  8. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I wish I could believe that because I went to a private-school.

    But rather than disagreeing (because I haven't the data set to do so) I'll simply say that what happened (and now known as the Great Recession) is attributable to narcissistic penchants of top-notch market "players" to make one hulluva-lotta-muney.

    All very intelligent people with superb, first-class educations. All rotten to the core for what they did to America and the American people.

    From Are private schools really better than public schools? A look at the data.

     
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    What was the name of your school?
     
  10. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Frankly, I think the US should take a page or two from European institutions of higher learning:
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    It should be illegal for any parent to deny their children an education. Whether they go to public or private school for an education is irrelevant because the next (and most important step) is getting "real credentials" by going to university necessary for a decent salary.

    And university is almost free, gratis and for nothing in France* (as well as the rest of the European Union. My kids went to university for a tuition of about $950 (plus room 'n board) ...

    *Except for, strangely enough, the MBA-schools in Europe that charge monstrously large fees. For reason that are not the least bit tenable.



     
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    If tuition free public schools K-12 were good parents wouldn't have to be forced to send their children.

    As your chart shows, college education in the USA is a real bad deal.
     
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    What? If its not about how much we spend, then force professors to take a pay cut so it will be more cost effective. Everything comes down to price.
     
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    I would love to see how it would go over with the liberal professors when the liberal government steps in to lower their pay to make the cost of tuition less like in the EU model. Can't wait to see liberals telling people like Elizabeth Warren that they can't get paid $200,000 a year to teach one class.
     
  14. LafayetteBis

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    Specious blah, blah, blah ...
     
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    Healthcare and Tertiary Education are primary national government-funded programs in all of the European Union. In fact, a country cannot get into the EU without implementing them.

    And the reason why is that the vitality of a nation is dependent upon a healthy people who are educated to a level necessary in an advanced market-economy. Which is what the US is today.

    Of course, if people like you are happy that 60% of all criminals in penitentiaries in the US have no high-school diploma (and their cost-of-upkeep is phenomenally expensive), then who am I to argue otherwise?

    Dumb is as dumb does ...
     
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    My niece went to a private evangelical school. Her husband did also, in another state.

    She graduated college four years ago and had income of $154,000 from her job. He had over $200,000. They both went through college and kept their mouths shut to get the sheepskin.

    They send their children to a private school starting between age 2 and 3. Too early in my opinion, but it's their family and they rule it.
     
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    from yearly local school rankings where I live there is no evidence private schools are better than public...The private schools are mostly grouped at the top but their students come from narrower socio economic backgrounds than that found in the public system. The private school parents tend to be very well educated themselves and that has an effect on a child's nurturing. It's the parents that make the difference and the educational expectations they have of their children.

    Our public schools here are very consistent in teaching quality regardless of where the school is located. However you can estimate which community schools will rank higher educationally by the wealth in each community, it's cultural background and parental educational levels.

    My children's school all ranked high with the private schools because the community is mostly very well educated, middle to upper income and many educationally demanding Asian parents. The private academy schools fair no better than my children's schools for producing Tertiary graduates.

    One local private academy is continually claiming they are absolutely the best due to finishing 1st in the rankings every year. What they don't tell people when they're selling their school is they expel children whose grades fall, thereby keeping their grade average high and failure rate is non existent... the children must qualify academically to be admitted, the public system takes everyone.... they don't accept learning impaired children like the public schools or immigrant children who aren't proficient in English like the public schools... Yet in spite of those advantages my children's public school was right up at the top with that private academy....

    It's the parents not the schools.
     
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    It depends, and depends on the area. You can't generalize overall.

    In middle class areas usually public schools are a bit better, but students can still perform better in private schools because they're amongst like-minded students like them who want to focus on studying.
    At least in America, usually private schools are most popular in areas with a lot of wealthy people who live next to areas that are not so nice. In such areas private schools may be a more feasible solution, despite their cost, than moving to a home in a different school district.

    For the most part private schools do a good job of self-regulating themselves because no parent is going to spend all that money to send their child to a school if it's not good. Also many private schools are run by Christian non-profit organizations so their motivations are not just to earn a profit.
     
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    From WashPo here: Are private schools really better than public schools? A look at the data.
    The article is not as statistically meaty as I would like, but frankly the above comment shows that the differences is significant but not overwhelming in favor of private education.

    The article goes on to complain about education in the US in general.

    Which is why the article is worthwhile reading ...

    *National Association of Independent Schools (?)
     
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    And I'll bet you think that the parents who have no secondary-schooling are urging their kids to obtain a HS-diploma?

    If so, why are more than 60% of convicts in penitentiaries throughout the US do not have a high-school diploma?

    There's a LOTTA work to be done to bring our total educational system up to an acceptable standard. But that is going to cost money, money, money.

    And don't expect anything to be done by a Replicant PotUS who will think that America's educational system needs no changes whatsoever* ...

    *See here for the following results regarding "share of the population with secondary education":
    *Canada - 46.3%
    *USA - 39.8%
     
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    you have no idea what parents are telling their kids...
     
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    I can imagine.

    The same BS they heard from their parents ...
     
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    We should have the government run schools. You know, because the VA.
     
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    Education is virtually free. Youtube. Khan academy. Lynda. Coursera. What do you want to learn to do? I'll give you a link to get you started.
     
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    What are the "few key reasons" you feel compelled to post hundreds of SPAM posts per day, all amounting to the same "Too bad for Uncle Sam" bullshit? Trying to convince yourself of something (and failing)?
     
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