Are the Palestinians the Jews NOT expelled from Judaea after Bar Kochba Revolt?

Nope.
It's just like saying -
Is the flying spaghetti monster real?

No, its not.

 

In other words you have'nt a clue what the hell you're blabbering on about.

tata

 

No......I think the real problem is that each of us tends to believe that our own particular culture is "superior" and we have little comprehension of the bigger picture that is being worked out here on the third rock?????!!!

Jews.....tend to be somewhat scared to admit that there is powerful evidence that their soul/human spirit/angel may well be sent back down here as members of another religious or ethnic group!?

That is the primary reason why so relatively few Jews seem interested in reading about how Ms. Barbro Karlen of Sweden.........is in all probability Miss Anne Frank back here with us.......Few of us want to confront the evidence that our soul/human spirit/angel may be much much much larger and more powerful than we were ever taught by our religious leaders.

I have to admit.....that if I was Jewish I would also probably be somewhat scared of evidence that I might well reincarnate as one of those ignorant Christians or as a fundamentalist Muslim????!!!!


Five paragraphs that have the potential to save this world!
by Dennis Tate (Notes) on Sunday, June 23, 2013 at 2:45pm

https://www.facebook.com/notes/denn...otential-to-save-this-world/10200210377761857
Here are the five paragraphs that I would encourage you to research to see if Rabbi Jesus/Yeshua really actually probably taught this to his disciples?

Bruce F. MacDonald Ph. D. page 117,118, The Thomas Book, Near Death, a Quest and a New Gospel.......

 

go read your Tawrah!

 

Humanity is at the place where if we decided to invent a flying spaghetti monster robot.....we would probably have one or more on the market in less than five years!

Also.....if we decided to invest heavily in helping the nation of Israel to turn the rest of their own deserts green.......We could also accomplish that as well???!!!



http://israel21c.org/environment/israel-confronts-world-hunger-with-a-solar-powered-desert-oasis/

Israel confronts world hunger with a solar-powered desert oasis | ISRAEL21c

 

And Abu Sina........if you would like to know about an area that has the potential to unite Moslems, Jews, Christians, skeptics, Hindus', Buddhists....etc., etc....then I would suggest this one page about an ancient prophecy.....apparently from the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) that the deserts of the Islamic nations will be turned green.....in the "latter days!"

 

This really is not a thread about Reincarnation, but I just want to say the idea of having to keep being reborn until we get it right is not necessarily an idea I see as inconsistent with Jesus teachings. I think we tend to look at things from too narrow a perspective and this hinders us from understanding. Further, John 3:16 does not have to be read as narrowly as many read it. And to try to return to the thread topic, we do not have archaeological/historical evidence to support that the Israelites were enslaved 400 years in Egypt or that the Exodus actually happened or that the Exile happened in 70 AD.

 

We Canadians were actually far worse than our "motherland!"

But Canada and England were certainly on a somewhat similar page as far as rescuing Jews from the holocaust.

Our cowardice to not grab at the minimum hundreds of thousands of Christians, Jews, Bahai's or even Sufi Moslems living in Islamic nations in 2013 may be a somewhat similar phenomena??!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis

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Alexa......I am often wrong and could be again.....but I vehemently disagree with your assertion that spirituality has nothing to do with real estate?!

Here we are in 2013 and I am convinced that in all probability that tens of thousands........if not hundreds of thousands.......if not millions of people living in Islamic nations will soon be murdered, raped and tortured to death......in a manner that is little different from what happened in Germany during the Nazi era..........except that it will not be as well organized or efficient????!!!!

They will be targeted if they are Christians.......if they are Bahai's.......if they are Jewish.......and perhaps even if they have a good education or are Sufi or Islamic Mystic who have an excellent reputation for NOT teaching their children to become suicide bombers????!!!

If Christians and ethical people here in Canada would start some sort of movement to give at the minimum ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND OF THEM........refugee status in Canada......and put pressure on our political leaders......then I believe that we are in a perfect place to save one hundred thousand lives.......minimum......I think we should perhaps call this the "Dominican Challenge" after the offer by the Dominican Republic to accept one hundred thousand Jewish refugees from Europe during the Nazi era!!!???

Here are two good articles to give you an idea of how Christian, Bahai, Jewish or educated women will probably be treated previous to their deaths if the radicals in the Islamic nations achieve their objective!

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/the-sex-jihad/
The ‘Sex Jihad’

http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-...twa-permits-rape-of-non-sunni-women-in-syria/
New Fatwa Permits Rape of Non-Sunni Women in Syria

 

You are correct Sherri, I do tend to take discussion threads off in other directions.....but I just don't know how else to convince a large number of people to do something rather large right here in Canada....that actually can lay a foundation for a massive alteration in the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians????!!!

I am of the belief that a massive series of documentary, reality, semi-reality and fictional films.........may be the best way to set up genuine peace between Israelis and Palestinians??!!

For example.....a sufficiently well funded film company could rent and/or lease......nearly one half of the city of Jerusalem........and stage what might look somewhat like Zechariah 14......but it actually is something entirely different......and helps people to look at our lives and the lives of our "enemies" differently???!!!

Here is one of the major connections! Nearly a decade ago a gifted/psychic woman on one of my yahoo groups told me that she and I were connected from a past life during the time of the second crusade??!! I have no idea if her impression was correct or not but I know some seriously psychic people and I have never been able to get that idea out of my head! How many innocent people did I murder in all sorts of horrible ways.......if I was a part of one or more of those Christian Crusades in one or more of my past lives??????!!!!

We Christians used to have ideas every bit as backward and evil as the Fatwa's that are in those two articles that I just quoted! Actually we were far far far far worse....and had a habit apparently of taking pregnant Islamic or Jewish women.......cutting them open and putting a living cat inside of them....and then stitching them back up!!!!!!!

The kind of fear of what we may have done under other circumstances.....in another time period....is profoundly humbling and motivating??!!

 

Alexa, you are onto something huge here.......courage has astonishing power to affect the final decisions made by political leaders.

Although I am a relatively happy somewhat active member of Canada's Liberal Party.......I must admit that in the 2011 federal election I felt compelled to vote for our M. P. Peter Mackay......partly because this man has many many many many times actually risked his life to visit Canadian troops in Afghanistan or anywhere else that they were stationed??!!

He is a member of the Conservative Party........After his boss P. M. Stephen Harper expelled M. P. Bill Casey out of the Conservative Party I was scratching my head as to why Mr. Mackay continued to work for P. M. Harper......but.....P. M. Harper is an astonishingly hard working political leader......He is amazingly well informed........and he also risked his life to visit our troops in Afghanistan??!!

Back in 2011 I was reading more and more and more about "Global Dimming" as explained by Dr. James Hansen. At the time of the election in March....I was beginning to wonder if perhaps P. M. Harper might actually have a better grasp of how huge a factor Global Dimming really is??!!

As I understand it.......there is a real danger that what was put forward at Kyoto......might perhaps have drastically reduced atmospheric particles that cause "Global Dimming" which masks/decreases a general Global Warming trend......and Kyoto if ratified by Canada and the USA might perhaps actually have set in motion a rapid period of Global Warming which might have caused the Greenland and WEst Antarctic Ice Sheet to collapse years or even decades before it ordinarily would........?????!!!!

My Conclusion:
1....perhaps the safest way to combat climate change over the short term is to invest heavily in turning deserts green......after all plants are both a carbon as well as a water sink??!!
2. ....perhaps the key to safely combatting climate change over the short term lies in the Middle East???!!!
3.....perhaps the threat of rising ocean levels is by far the greatest immediate threat posed by climate change......because ocean level rise of one meter could put somewhere between thirty to perhaps a hundred million people out of their homes.....in Bangladesh alone??????!!!! That many climate change refugees greatly increases the probability of all out wars as terrorism and civil unrest greatly increases??!!

......P.M. Stephen Harper.....for all his flaws.....is an astonishingly courageous political leader. What he did a few months after winning the 2011 election.......convinced me that I had indeed made an ethical decision to vote for Mr. Peter Mackay in 2011?????!!!!

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...per-stands-alone-at-g8-summit/article4263322/

I personally feel that P. M. Harper's decision to go against President Obama was exceptionally wise and ethical. There are estimates that Israel is number four military super-power on the earth today and could hold off the American military for at least eight months in the event of an attack by the USA.....and who knows what type of civil unrest could break out back home if an American President managed to be so astonishingly unwise as to force Israel into a war even against the USA!

Naive and mis-informed....although probably sincere political leaders who come up with bright ideas that whip radical Palestinian leaders into a frenzy..........are actually doing the Palestinians a dis-service??!!

Israel absolutely cannot go back to its 1967 borders.....and only a MORON.......could think that this is possible given the range of the various types of missiles now in the hands of the islamic nations?????!!!!!

 

I am not at all convinced that running away from Persecution is Gods plan for us. Do you ever stop a moment and actually look at some of the things that happen in the midst of horrible wars? I look back at Lebanon in 2006, as over 1000 civilians were being massacred with US weapons an Arab Church with a Christian school opened its school to house hundreds of displaced Shiite Musims and throughout that 34 days of slaughters of civilians by Israel they all met together and prayed together for peace twice a day. Arab Baptist Theological Seminary, if you search you may still even be able to find and read their newsletters from 2006. The Walls that divide came tumbling down. If you were hiding under your bed when the missiles were striking Lebanon or you ran away, you missed what God was doing in the midst of war.

 

The Creator does some amazing things in the middle of wars?!

http://www.benmelech.org/z-def/english/israel-bailey.htm

 

The Gulf War posed no real threats to Israel. You speaking of God's miracles in such a place/setting I find truly disgusting. Seeing God in the midst of wars occurs when bombs are striking and hurting and killing people in your midst and all around you. MADE up fears and threats are certainly a thing Zionists thrive upon and what Zionist leaders are shoving down everyones throats 24/7. They use these fears and threats to justify the attacks upon and killings of defenseless children and innocent civilians in the thousands.

 

The Palestinians are a mixture of Arabs, Jews, Egyptians, Kurds, Bosnians, Turks, Persians, Romans, and other Muslim immigrants to Palestine over the last 1,200 years.

 

Palestinians include Christian Palestinians. I know of some Palestinian Christians whose families presence there guess all the way back to the time the first Christians lived there. I will name two, Archbishop Elias Chacour from the Galilee and Mazin Qumsiyeh from Beit Sahour.

 

Sucked from the thumb, untruths, libel, insulting and defamatory... You should come and visit since Ayaan Hirsi Ali came to check things on her own.

 

You did not emphasise enough in my opinion the most dominant origin of the Palestinians. They are the product of 2nd C Jews who decided not to leave, converted to Christianity, and in the 7th C converted yet again to the Islamic faith.

Would you care to dispute that? Shall we start with the DNA evidence as produced by Israeli scientists such as Oppenheimer, she who confirmed that the Palestinians were genetic brothers of the purer blood Jews. She who confirmed that the hallowed Cohenic (Jewish priestly) DNA line is carried by many Palestinians?

Strong stuff. But the Myth purveyors will continue to ignore the proof. They have to or the whole Zionist justification comes tumbling down.

 

There is no historical evidence for this. There is no cultural evidence for this either, as peoples who are descended from Jews very often maintain Jewish customs. Look at the Lemba, Beta Israel, Falash Mura, Hispanic Moronos, etc.

The genetic evidence shows just as much Jewish genetic similarities with Kurds, Lebanese, and Syrians, as with the Palestinians.

 

The so-called Levite and Kohane gene which is common amoung some Jews is also common amoung non-Jewish populations in the Mediteranean and Middle East regions that have no evidence of Jewish ancestry. This gene also emerged thousands of years BEFORE Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The gene cannot be used to show proof of descendence from Hebrew founders nor can it be used to suggest genetic relations to the Jews.

 

So, how many thousand were killed in Israel in this war?

 

Ooo-Aaaaah. You should check her out . I too was at first taken in by everything she said , until I found this ( sorry its in Dutch/English subtitles ) and its long .
Sometimes one have to dig a bit deeper for a few truths>

Ayaan Hirsi Ali's Lies Exposed

"The MP has in fact long admitted lying to the Dutch authorities in 1992 about her name, her age, and the fact that she did not flee directly to Holland from Somalia.

She presented those omissions as necessary lies to obtain refugee status. Asylum seekers are expected to seek shelter in the first safe country they come to, and she would have been automatically deported if she had owned up to spending more than a decade outside Somalia, in Ethiopia, Saudi Arabia, Kenya and, briefly, Germany.

She obtained Dutch citizenship in 1997, and was elected to parliament in 2003.

However, the controversy has been stoked by a television documentary last week, which showed members of her own family striking at the very heart of her dramatic life story - her claim that she fled a forced marriage to a cousin she had never met.

Relatives, including her brother, said she had not been forced into marriage, and had nothing to fear. The documentary showed images of her family's comfortable middle-class home in Kenya.

Miss Hirsi Ali, who cut short a book tour in America to return to Holland and address the media storm, is expected to announce she is moving to Washington DC, to take up a post at the neo-conservative think-tank, the American Enterprise Institute, the newspaper De Volkskrant reported.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...m-to-quit-Holland-after-lies-are-exposed.html

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What war? You should be more precise in your question when one debates on an open Forum...

To defame is an Arab trait since lying is not a sin in Islam.

 

Let's start with genetics, Ronstar. I will get to the historical record later. Here is Nebel et. Al. (2000) - http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf- concluding the following:

The following is part of the conclusions of very recent study (Eran Elhaik - July 2013) -http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3595026/pdf/evs119.pdf :

So this very "hot-off-the-press" genetic study shows that the Jews are genetically linked to a spread of European peoples AND to Semites from the Levant. These Semites naturally include the Palestinians. So genetic evidence in no way contradicts my conclusion that the Palestinians are a mixture of many peoples but that their ancestral roots lie in the Jews of the southern Levant.

As far as history is concerned, you claim that there is no evidence for this. I beg to differ. Jesus was a Jew. His disciples were Jews. The early converts in the Apostolic Age were mainly Jews. Later Jewish Christianity is exactly what it says. Up until the Council of Nicea converts consisted not only of pagans but also of Levantine and Hellenist Jews. Even Saul of Tarsus (Saint Paul) observed Jewish festivals. http://liturgica.com/html/litEChLit.jsp -:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Christianity quotes the Catholic Encyclopedia: Proselyte is stating that:

So many of the Christians in the southern Levant at the end of the first century would have either been Jewish converts themselves or the descendants of such converts. Beyond this region there were still (Helenistic) Jewish converts but these were in lesser numbers compared to Gentile converts in Greece and what is now Turkey.

Later, not all the Jews partook in the diaspora after the Bar Kokba revolt in 132AD. Many remained in Palestine. In his signature work, Battleground (1974), Shmuel Katz writes that even after the disaster of the revolt:

Fred M. Donner, author of The Early Islamic Conquests (Princeton University Press, 1981) concluded that:

Yet by the time of the Ottoman census in the 1880s there were but 10 000 Jews in all of what was to become Palestine. What happened to Katz’s ‘active’ Jewish occupants of Galilee? Did they leak away into the diaspora, or did the convert, firstly to Christianity and later to Islam?

In summary Nebel (2000) - http://www.ucl.ac.uk/tcga/tcgapdf/Nebel-HG-00-IPArabs.pdf - concludes:

Currently, as a way to foster peace between the Palestinians and the Israelis, Tzvi Misinai has made it his mission to teach Palestinians of their Jewish origins - http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/The-lost-Palestinian-Jews

This Jerusalem Post article goes on the quote dozens of examples from history to show the Jewish roots of the majority of the Palestinians, and I will not bother to further extend this post by repeating them here, save to say that I find the conclusion of Misinai's "mission" to be very compelling. Apparently you might not. At 08:56 in this video, Rabbi Dov Stein disagrees with you.

[video=youtube;t3q6OKG4zAE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=t3q6OKG4zAE[/video]

I think that the video and Misinai blows away your "proof" that "There is no cultural evidence for this either, as peoples who are descended from Jews very often maintain Jewish customs". Yes, they sure do

 

Geneticist Ariella Oppenheim (Hadassah Medical centre, Hebrew University) disagrees with you in the video above at 05:00.