Are we at a tipping point on guns?

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  1. 6Gunner

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    You showed you hold the Constitution, and the rights and freedoms true Americans hold most dear, in utter contempt.

    “If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

    Samuel Adams
     
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    Your need to frame it that way is duly noted?
     
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    Utter rubbish.
     
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    Take back the NRA from the Fudds. No more compromise.
     
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    Simple fact.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Indeed.
    The anti-gun left seeks acquiescence, not compromise, and so compromise on our part only prompts them to demand more.
     
  7. dave8383

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    Note I said nothing about changing the constitution. Note I said nothing about changing the Supreme Courts definition of the 2nd Amendment. However, note all the radical NRAers crawl out from under their rocks.
     
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    No, you really aren't.

    Of course, Republicans have not been any better than the Democrats for years. Both are equally corrupt and complicit in the undermining of our Constitutional liberties.
     
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    What did the NRA do 60 years ago that it does not do now?
    Be specific and bring citations.
     
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    Exhibit A
     
  11. 6Gunner

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    Put me on that list too.

    Molon Labe.
     
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    Looney Toons.

    "The full extent of that transformation came into sharp focus in the aftermath of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, when reporters put the NRA under the microscope after the revelation that domestic terrorist Timothy McVeigh had once sent an angry letter to his congressman sealed with a decal reading: “I’m the NRA.”

    https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...-turn-right/GMxQYrHLfvm5KIb2TvQVWK/story.html
     
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    The my dead hands' NRA:

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    Oh goody, your back. Now let's discuss your lies that you posted. You get to pick which lie as the topic.
     
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    OK, prove that you didn't crawl out from under a rock.

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    I am honored that this fine member badged me, I am surprised. I would like to thank everyone that has contributed to my success, I could not have achieved this honor alone.

    Shout out goes out to my parents, wife, NRA and many friends here on this forum and abroad.

    With this honor and 4 dollars I have in my wallet a toast to Dave at the local pub tonight is in order

    We at the pub also recognize Daves efforts throughout this wonderful occasion and in his honor.......hold on......I am tearing up.

    In Daves honor, we at the pub called Thunder and Buttons located in Old Colorado city will officially name a AK47 after him.

    Thankyou Dave from everyone in my community, without you this wonderful day and badge would not be possible.
     
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    Thank you for making it clear I need waste no more time on you.
    Welcome back to the pit.
     
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    When the NRA Supported Gun Control
    Correction appended, July 31

    On May 20, 2000, the legendary actor and president of the National Rifle Association Charlton Heston stood before the podium at the organization’s 129th annual convention with a banner raised behind him featuring the America flag and the words “Vote Freedom.” As he concluded his address, Heston picked up a replica of a flintlock rifle, raised it over his head and declared, in his own dramatic fashion, that anyone who wanted to take his gun would have to pry it “from my cold, dead hands.”

    This iconic moment has come to define the NRA, which is now America’s leading pro-gun advocacy group. As the group frames things in a new ad campaign, gun-control laws and politicians who support them are seen as an unconstitutional intrusion on the Second Amendment right to bear arms.

    The NRA’s opposition to gun control, however, is only a few decades , according to Adam Winkler author of the book Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms in America. “Historically,” writes Winkler, “the leadership of the NRA was more open-minded about gun control than someone familiar with the modern NRA might imagine.”

    Not only did the NRA support gun control for much of the 20th century, its leadership in fact lobbied for and co-authored gun control legislation.

    When the NRA was founded by two Union Civil War veterans and a former New York Times reporter in 1871, its purpose was to help improve the marksmanship of urban northerners whose inferiority to the superior marksmanship of their rural southern counterparts was believed to have prolonged the war. During this time, the Second Amendment was not the association’s central platform. Displayed at the NRA’s national headquarters was its motto, “Firearms Safety Education, Marksmanship Training, Shooting for Recreation.” The association was granted a charter and received $25,000 from New York State to purchase a firing range. It also maintained a longstanding relationship with the U.S. military, receiving surplus guns and sponsorships for shooting contest.

    In the 1920s, the National Revolver Association, the arm of the NRA responsible for handgun training, proposed regulations later adopted by nine states, requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapon, five years additional prison time if the gun was used in a crime, a ban on gun sales to non-citizens, a one day waiting period between the purchase and receipt of a gun, and that records of gun sales be made available to police.

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    The 1930s crime spree of the Prohibition era, which still summons images of outlaws outfitted with machine guns, prompted President Franklin Roosevelt to make gun control a feature of the New Deal. The NRA assisted Roosevelt in drafting the 1934 National Firearms Act and the 1938 Gun Control Act, the first federal gun control laws. These laws placed heavy taxes and regulation requirements on firearms that were associated with crime, such as machine guns, sawed-off shotguns and silencers. Gun sellers and owners were required to register with the federal government and felons were banned from owning weapons. Not only was the legislation unanimously upheld by the Supreme Court in 1939, but Karl T. Frederick, the president of the NRA, testified before Congress stating, “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”

    For the next 30 years, the NRA continued to support gun control. By the late 1960s a shift in the NRA platform was on the horizon.

    On Nov. 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald. He shot the president with an Italian military surplus rifle purchased from a NRA mail-order advertisement. NRA Executive Vice-President Franklin Orth agreed at a congressional hearing that mail-order sales should be banned stating, “We do think that any sane American, who calls himself an American, can object to placing into this bill the instrument which killed the president of the United States.” The NRA also supported California’s Mulford Act of 1967, which had banned carrying loaded weapons in public in response to the Black Panther Party’s impromptu march on the State Capitol to protest gun control legislation on May 2, 1967.

    The summer riots of 1967 and assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy in 1968 prompted Congress to reenact a version of the FDR-era gun control laws as the Gun Control Act of 1968. The act updated the law to include minimum age and serial number requirements, and extended the gun ban to include the mentally ill and drug addicts. In addition, it restricted the shipping of guns across state lines to collectors and federally licensed dealers and certain types of bullets could only be purchased with a show of ID. The NRA, however, blocked the most stringent part of the legislation, which mandated a national registry of all guns and a license for all gun carriers. In an interview in American Rifleman, Franklin Orth stated that despite portions of the law appearing “unduly restrictive, the measure as a whole appears to be one that the sportsmen of America can live with.”

    A shift in the NRA’s platform occurred when in 1971 the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, during a house raid, shot and paralyzed longtime NRA member Kenyon Ballew suspected of stockpiling illegal weapons. The NRA swiftly condemned the federal government. As Winkler points out, following the incident NRA board member and editor of New Hampshire’s Manchester Union LeaderWilliam Loeb referred to the federal agents as “Treasury Gestapo”; the association soon appropriated the language of the Panthers insisting that the Second Amendment protected individual gun rights.

    For much of the 20th century, the NRA had lobbied and co-authored legislation that was similar to the modern legislative measures the association now characterizes as unconstitutional. But by the 1970s the NRA came to view attempts to enact gun-control laws as threats to the Second Amendment, a viewpoint strongly articulated at last week’s Republican National Convention by current NRA leader Chris Cox. Today’s NRA could be summed up with words uttered by the Black Panther Party 40 years earlier: “the gun is the only thing that will free us—gain us our liberation.”

    Heather Jones for TIME

    http://time.com/4431356/nra-gun-control-history/
     
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    Post 460 is in your honor Dave, thank you.
     
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    You're a Fudd troll with nothing of substance to add to the discussion, interested only in your own self-righteousness and pursuit of validation.

    You should seek professional help.
     
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    How NRA’s true believers converted a marksmanship group into a mighty gun lobby

    By Joel Achenbach, Scott Higham and Sari HorwitzJanuary 12, 2013Email the author

    In gun lore it’s known as the Revolt at Cincinnati. On May 21, 1977, and into the morning of May 22, a rump caucus of gun rights radicals took over the annual meeting of the National Rifle Association.

    The rebels wore orange-blaze hunting caps. They spoke on walkie-talkies as they worked the floor of the sweltering convention hall. They suspected that the NRA leaders had turned off the air-conditioning in hopes that the rabble-rousers would lose enthusiasm.

    The Old Guard was caught by surprise. The NRA officers sat up front, on a dais, observing their demise. The organization, about a century old already, was thoroughly mainstream and bipartisan, focusing on hunting, conservation and marksmanship. It taught Boy Scouts how to shoot safely. But the world had changed, and everything was more political now. The rebels saw the NRA leaders as elites who lacked the heart and conviction to fight against gun-control legislation.

    And these leaders were about to cut and run: They had plans to relocate the headquarters from Washington to Colorado.

    “Before Cincinnati, you had a bunch of people who wanted to turn the NRA into a sports publishing organization and get rid of guns,” recalls one of the rebels, John D. Aquilino, speaking by phone from the border city of Brownsville, Tex.


    What unfolded that hot night in Cincinnati forever reoriented the NRA. And this was an event with broader national reverberations. — and kept inflaming them. In the process, the NRA overcame tremendous internal tumult and existential crises, developed an astonishing grass-roots operation and became closely aligned with the Republican Party.

    The NRA didn’t get swept up in the culture wars of the past century so much as it helped invent them

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...4cf65c3ad15_story.html?utm_term=.f6a59fb41621
     
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    I'm not the one with delusions of adequacy. Just sayin'.
     
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    What laws would we now have if this hadn't happened?
     
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    Utterly false statement.

    The "culture wars" were created by totalitarians in government seeking to tighten their control over the lives of the people. The NRA would never have had to change its priorities into political lobbying if not for the craven and brazen assaults upon the Constitutional rights of the American people.
     
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    It is more than apparent that there is nothing on the part of yourself to present in this discussion other than petty insults and meaningless rhetoric, all guided by a seething, irrational, immature hatred for the NRA that cannot be justified on the basis of logic.
     
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