Ashkenazi Jews from 350 people, maybe Khazars?

According to the ancient Jewish historian Josephus, converts to Judaism before Jesus were considered Jews. He said that Herod the Great was born a Jew, even though his ancestors were Edomite.

 

Yep ijust said whites can be Jewish didn't i

 

You said that whites and Asians and other non black people cannot be Jews.

That is racism. A Jew can be of any race.

It is racist to say that only a black person can be a Jew.

 

Whites can be Jewish.

 

Whites can also be Jews.

Anybody can become a Jew.

There are many Jews who are not black.

It is racist to say that such people are not real Jews.

 

Some black ppl can be Jewish too, nissim black and Sammy Davis jnr for example

 

Sammy Davis Jr was a Jew. Not simply "jewISH".

White people can be Jews. Deal with it.

 

Imo, black americans are the lost tribes of Israel.

 

Many people also believe the Earth is flat, and the sun revolves around the Earth.

 

And that white europeans are the real Jews and Jesus was a white european. Go figure.

 

Nobody ever said that Ashkenazi Jews are the only Jews. There are lots of other Jews who are not white people.

You are the only person here claiming that one certain group are the true Jews and everybody else is fake, because of their skin color. Which is of course a very racist thing to say.

 

it would be racist if I said all black ppl are Jews but I ever said that. Isaid black americans taken into captivity in the Americas are the real Jews.

 

So you believe black Jews in Africa are fake Jews????

Lololol!!!

That's some crazy Black Hebrew Israelite cult stuff.

 

Of course many escaped the slave trade and fled south, south, forever south.

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

Jews don't follow the New Testament, sorry.

Please don't derail the thread with unrelated biblical passages.

 

Jews observe both old and new. You never heard of messianic Jews?

 

And who are the other two tribes of Israel???

 

Messianic Jews are Apostates as they have abandoned their faith for another religion.

 

You have said all black Americans are Jews, and all real Jews are black. Which means that non black Jews are fake, in your opinion.

 

The theory, as I understand it, is that Khazars converted merely for political reasons rather than spiritual ones, and if true, would be more aptly considered 'fake Jews.' But there is no real way to prove or disprove their true intentions, nor even if there were, would it be fair to presume that their descendents today are similarly duplicitous. I don't think it's 'racist' to be mistrusting of 'fake Jews' (after all, even some Jews are distrustful of descendents of the Khazars, and calling Jews 'antisimetic' for being critical of other Jews is silly), but it is rather unreasonably presumptuous without some associated evidence of duplicitous or 'fake' adopted ethnicity. I dont know enough about Judaism (which refers to the religion) or Jewishness(?), which I guess would refer to the culture, as some 'Jews' are not religious, and I don't really know what they prefer to call it, to be able to say with any confidence what the difference between a 'real Jew' and a 'fake Jew' would be... but I know when I see Christians telling people that 'Jesus hates you' for something or other, I have confidence they are 'fake' Christians, so I'm willing to accept there is also such a thing as 'fake' Jews, I just don't know exactly how they would be objectively identified.

 

If Ashkenazi Jews were indeed descended from the Khazar people, they would have very similar genetics to the people of Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and the other people of the Caucuses region. However they do not.

Instead Ashkenazi Jews have genetics that resemble mostly people of the Middle East and Italians.

Which makes sense because after the Romans defeated the Jews, many Jewish people were made slaves and brought to Rome, while other Jews simply moved Northwest into the Roman Empire to be with other Jewish communities. Of course other Jews moved South and West into Africa, which at the time was called Libya.

 

The problem with that theory is that if the 'Khazarian Jews' were descended from royalty, then they arent necessarily subject to the same geneology as the people of the region they're from. Royalty during that period were quite commonly implanted by foreign powers seeking to have 'loyalists' rule in their stead, and royalty was notorious for 'keeping royal blood in the royal family'. Just because Khazaria was in the Caucuses region doesn't mean the Khazarian royalty was native to it.

Also, iirc correctly, Arabic invasions and occupations were a common occurance in that region and time period, causing much of south and eastern Europeans today to have some Arabic ancestry. Spain is probably the most pronounced example of this, but it was a continent-wide dynamic.

 

Okay well the fact is if you look at the genetics of the European peoples, and Ashkenazi Jews, you will see that Ashkenazi Jews most closely genetically resemble people of the Middle East and Italians.

In fact my own genetics shows that I am most close to Ashkenazi Jews and people in Northern Italy.

 

I once commissioned mitochondrial DNA research to trace my mother's ancestry. It went back 15,000 years to "Haplogroup K" from which Ashkenazi Jews, Palestinian Arabs, and Kurds were said to be descended.

 

Haplogroup K indicates genetic lineage most likely from IRAN (in caps, because ancient IRAN was an ethno-cultural concept that encompassed large swaths of territory outside boundaries of the modern Iranian nation-state in Central Asia and eastern Anatolia, before the Turkification of those regions by migrations, war, and other historical events).

The whole reference to "Khazar Jews" is, incidentally misleading for similar reasons. Ashkenazi Jews were rather clearly originally descendants of Scythian-Iranian traders both genetically, linguistically, and even by their name being recognizable to a Persian speaker as a compound (Ashk-e-Naz) meaning "caring tears".

People of course end up to varying degrees mixing with other populations that surround them. Ashkenazi Jews certainly had further mixing with the (already genetically related) European communities in which they settled and would have also mixed with the other (e.g. Mizrahi and Sephardi) Jews they would have come in contact with. In Iran, for instance, from a physical "appearance" point of view, we used to have (broadly speaking) 2 types of Jews: an overwhelming majority who were largely indistinguishable from other Persians; and a (relatively small) minority (most likely descendants of the Scythian-Iranian Jews) who had a hugely disproportionate number (compared to the rest of the Persian population) of individuals with "red-hair". Hence, while you could not pick out most Jews by their looks, if you saw a red-haired individual the assumption would be that they were more likely Jewish.

The Scythians, incidentally, although speaking an "Iranian language" were always quite distinguishable. The Slavs are believed to be their descendants and so were many of the barbarian Germanic tribes that over ran the Roman empire. Even the Romans saw them as 'giant red-haired monsters' while, despite a millennia of warfare between the Greco-Roman world and Iran, with countless portraits of the Persians by the Greeks and Romans, you won't find a single contemporaneous account by either at the time that felt any physical/racial distinctions (as opposed to cultural ones) were worth even mentioning. That despite the fact that the Greeks and Romans freely talked about the physical distinctions and characteristics of other groups.