Ashkenazi Jews from 350 people, maybe Khazars?

Discussion in 'Middle East' started by Ronstar, Jun 24, 2015.

  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    but also tradition is adopted and changed and that adoption could have nothing to to with bloodlines.
     
  2. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Why would I care what you think about who I am ? you think I spend a second about what you think you are ?

    I live me life and educate my kids very well without your approval I assure you :)

    - - - Updated - - -

    Converts, someone converted the converts and I never heard of a case in History where the new members completely overrun the older ones and their bloodline.
     
  3. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    i dont care what you are, you can call yourself whatever you like, i know who the lineal descendants of Israel are, thanks.
    sure someone converted the converts that is a circular argument. still doesnt make any of them a lineal descendant.
     
  4. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It only proves you have no idea and no way to make that call, but we agree you and me don't care for it anyways, so G'day.
     
  5. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    its not my call, its the almighty's and he wrote down how to identify Israel in the bible.
     
  6. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Is that the 2nd edition of the Bible ?
     
  7. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    no. :smile:
     
  8. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ok, so how can you tell a real Israelite ?
     
  9. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    allow me to ask please, why did Israel get exiled and scattered?
     
  10. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We had several such occasions, you refer to the first exile or the last ?
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    so what do "true" Israelites look like?

    who are their "true" descendants?????
     
  12. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We are about to find out.....
     
  13. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    the babylonian one in 700 bce, why did Israel get exiled?
     
  14. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    i ask again, so what do "true" Israelites look like?

    who are their "true" descendents?
     
  15. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    what kind of question is that?

    they have a nose, two eyes and ears.....what do you think they look like lol.
     
  16. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    are they all black?

    who are their "true" descendents???

    where do they live?
     
  17. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Israel was destroyed by Ashur, Babylon conquered Judea and Jerusalem because the ppl tried to revolt together with Egypt and some other weak nations. = God was angry....
     
  18. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    some are brown, they are scattered all over the world.

    - - - Updated - - -

    right, so the almighty got angry and scattered Israel yes? didnt the almighty warn them that this would happen? if so why did they not heed his warnings?
     
  19. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It was a long time ago I honestly can't remember, assuming the Judeans were punished by God, wasn't it also said a day will come and the ppl will be re-united ?, the idea of redemption is what escorted the Judeans throu all those years even after the last destruction by the Romans.
     
  20. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    yes sure but i just wanted to see if you were going to admit it was Israels own disobedience that was the reason for the exile but i guess not.
     
  21. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I'm not that spiritual to be honest, IMO God (if exists) doesn't spend that much time thinking about us as we would like him to, IMO the Bible is an historic record tainted with lots of politics to appease, rouse or sedate the ppl of its relative time.

    But you are spiritual, so assuming they were punished, what now ? how can you tell an Israelite ?
     
  22. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2011
    Messages:
    14,150
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And the separate European and Eastern Jewish communities got nothing to do with the scattered Judeans ? how do you suppose those communities formed and at what era ?
     
  23. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    and some are white, yes???

    or are Israelite/Judean genes mutually exclusive with whiteness?
     
  24. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2015
    Messages:
    17,069
    Likes Received:
    2,428
    Trophy Points:
    113
    by the curses that would befall them if they were disobedient [which they were and why they got exiled] it was written out in the 1st edition.
     
  25. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 2013
    Messages:
    93,457
    Likes Received:
    14,675
    Trophy Points:
    113
    you know most of the Bible is silly fantasy, right?
     

Share This Page