Ashkenazi Jews from 350 people, maybe Khazars?

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  1. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    imo some may have turned a more european looking due to mixing with europeans and the whole anti-Israel attitude thats been playing out over the centuries but i dont believe that is where we should be looking.
     
  2. Gilos

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    I don't follow you...

    They got punished- they got exiled, reunited, then exiled, revolted, exiled, I think united again - revolted and got the Temple completely destroyed and faith outlawed.

    Now who is supposed to be re-united and how can you tell if he's "truly" an Israelite ?
     
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    genetic research on Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews suggests they are descended from Israelite men who took Gentile wives in south eastern Europe.

    however, the idea that this means that ALL Jews are "white", is stupid.

    no one has ever said this. its just a silly strawman argued by folks who think all Jews are really black African.
     
  4. Esau

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    possibly a handful but i dont believe the bulk of russian or german jewish people are. i think the west is too focused on european jewish credentials and missing the entire point, whether that is intentionally deceit is the contentious issue.

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    i dont believe this, you are entitled to believe whatever you like, it doesnt make it true though.

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    by seeing who those curses refer to in the modern age??
     
  5. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    why don't you believe this?

    have you conducted your own genetic research upon Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews?

    or does it simply conflict with your biased & pre-conceived perceptions of truth?
     
  6. Gilos

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    I think I get you, you think Israelites are some magical beings, divine creatures that will manifest before us when God parts the heavens and decides its time for them to reveal.
    Am I close ?
     
  7. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    just say what you have to say, who are the true israelites????????????????

    you keep avoiding a direct answer.
     
  8. Esau

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    you could put it like that.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so who are the true israelites today?????
     
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    You mean the true Israelites are the global hitting bag of other nations ? they continue to suffer in everlasting torture for their ancient sins ?

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    Its your life live them as you see fit,

    We should have no problems, just keep away from our borders and you should be fine.
     
  11. Esau

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    what i think is not important.
     
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    so long as they remain disobedient.
    ive been promised a place, i'll see you there perhaps, maybe we will be shoe shining colleagues one day who knows.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you're the one posting here.

    so who are the "true" israelites?

    just answer the question and stop beating around the bush.

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    you have no logical reason to doubt the genetic research on ashkenazi and sephardic jews.
     
  14. Esau

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    what you think is much more important. so on that note can i ask you; what would you do if you found out one day that the european jewish people are not descendants of Israel and when the time came, would you still serve Israel?
     
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    i do and ive said so before i dont want to keep repeating myself. if you want me to tell you i will refuse, its not in my interest to keep telling you or anyone. did you get that? IT IS NOT IN MY INTEREST TO KEEP TELLING YOU.
     
  16. Ronstar

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    so you still refuse to answer a very simple question, and instead deflect by asking me a question instead???? :roflol:

    that's not how it works, buddy.

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    i dont recall u saying why u think the genetic research is false.

    please tell me again. thanks
     
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    so you think my opinion is more valid than yours??

    ok :eyepopping:
     
  18. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how could i possibly know? you refuse to actuallty state your opinion or udnerstanding of truth.

    you just avoid answering questions, probably cause you know from past experience that your answers will be laughed at.
     
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    its not the research per se but the conclusion you come to that is false.
     
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    Is that another way to say "kicking ass" ? :) I like it.

    They only start UN investigations for dead Muslim terrorists, white Americans/Europeans are not a problem.
     
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    if you found out one day that european jewish people were not descendants of Israel, would you still serve Israel?

    thats a very interesting question dont you think?

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    not particularly. :roll:
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the conclusion is in the research itself.

    the oral history of the ashkenazi and sephardic jews is that they moved into the roman and greek empires before Judea was destroyed, and after.
    they mixed with the locals, converted locals, and then moved west to iberia, north to germany.

    genetic research shows lots of european genes on the female genes, and middle eastern genes on the male genes.

    now, got anything to disprove this?

    of course not.
     
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    dont kid yourself.
     
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    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    still waiting for your logical reason to oppose the evidence and the conclusions made in the research itself.
     
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    What about all the ppl the Israelites mixed with? all those they got punished for long before the destruction, what about those NAMED in the Bible as of different nations Like Oriya the Hittite or King Saul personal Servant or Ruth from Moav, etc', these ppl prove the Israelites were already a mixed nation from the Judges era, much before the exile. there is no specific genetic line, there is no common trait, only the culture, history and the way of the BOOK. and ofc cutting your penis.......
     

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