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  1. KSigMason

    KSigMason Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Friday night was my last meeting as Master of my Lodge. My Senior Warden, 2nd in command, presented this to me as a gift. I'm the first "recycled" Master of my Lodge in 98-years.

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    KSigMason Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Didn't you post this on DI? Since you did, I'll just re-post my response as well:

    Well, as I'm in class I can't have the volume up on the video, but from what I saw I'd admonish this guy about what is proper display of Freemasonry and etiquette. I'm also not a fan of rap

    Freemasons don't take the Hiramic legend as literal. It is an allegory stressing the importance of fidelity and the Hiramic legend was not the original legend used by Freemasonry; we used Noah as a central figure in very early Masonic rtual.

    Mithraism was a mystery cult that existed in Rome, and there were others as well.

    Actually the French word is "maçon".

    This is a theory. No one knows for sure what the operative Masons practiced as their faith.

    There's no actual evidence of this.

    Actually the Pope absolved them with the Chinon Parchment. The primary agent of suppression was the French monarch, Philip the Fair.

    The knowledge of Masonry, such as Geometry, was traced back to ancient Egypt, but to say the group had a continuous stream from Egypt to York is something that cannot be found as no record exists. My theory is that the operative guilds that grew exponentially in England with Alfred the Great gained some knowledge from the Roman Collegia who themselves gained from Egypt, but were each of themselves separate groups.

    I also believe that Mithraism and Christianity are two different faiths, but this is based up recent studies of ancient religions and reading primary sources.
     
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    KSigMason Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    [MENTION=62734]Denizen[/MENTION], please feel free to bring your complaints of Freemasonry here. On a thread that has been deleted, you were very passionate in your opposition to Freemasonry and I want to let your opinion be said.
     
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    On this forum and in others, I've seen the accusation tossed around that Freemasonry is a cult. Here is my somehwat biased (as I'm a Mason) look on what a cult is and a comparison to Freemasonry.

    Cult comes to us from the Latin word "cultus" meaning "worship, devotion, or reverence". Looking at the dictionary we see "cult" defined as follows:

    noun
    1. a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
    2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
    3. the object of such devotion.
    4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
    5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
    6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
    7. the members of such a religion or sect.​

    Now to split hairs, I will say that Freemasonry doesn't fit this definition because Masonic Lodges are not places of worship. Freemasonry is religious, but far from being a religion or a religious institution (ie church, synagogue, mosque, etc). We also do not force our members to live outside of "conventional society" nor do we have a singular "charismatic leader".

    We do have rites, rituals, ceremonies, but that is far from making an organization a cult.

    Here are some characteristics of a cult:

    Leadership: A cult will have a living leader who is self-appointed, has absolute authoritarian/totalitarian control, is accountable to no one, and is often messianic with a special mission or cause.

    Truth: The leader, and sometimes the group, are in possession of a credible "truth". Often this surrounds some notion of salvation which can only be attained from affiliation with that particular cult. Only knowledge from the group is credible and often critical thinking is prohibited.

    Devotion: The members must submit to all orders of the leader without question or inquiry. Promote dependency of the members upon the group.

    Finances: Members are often required to turn over most if not all of their assets to help fund operations and the cause of the leader. Again, with the "no question" policy, there is no transparency in regards to where the assets are stored, used, or spent.

    Profane world: There is instilled an illogical fear of the outside world. Members are often cut off or isolated from their pre-cult friends, families, and society. They have the polarized "us versus them" mentality.

    Recruiting: Use deceptive methods in recruiting such as crisis creation, deepening a confessed guilt or fear, or state that they have all the answers.

    Leaving: There is no legitimate reason to leave the cult. Members who do leave are criticized and seen as evil.​

    You can find more here: http://www.prem-rawat-talk.org/forum/uploads/CultCharacteristics.htm

    Having looked at all the information, I'd have to say NO, Freemasonry is not a cult.

    Our leaders/officers are elected or appointed by an elected officer, not self appointed. Least of all, do we have to do as bidden without question.

    Masonry doesn't claim to possess some hidden secret that will give us salvation from God's Judgment.

    There is no dependency or entitlement syndrome placed upon Freemasons.

    The finances are tracked and, at least in my Lodge/Grand Lodge, audited annually; the Grand Lodge audit done by an independent auditor when a new Grand Secretary or Grand Treasurer is elected.

    Freemasons are not cut off from the world or family/friends that we knew previous to joining Freemasonry.

    Freemasonry doesn't recruit, but even to prospective members, we don't lie nor do we use deceptive means to bring them into our fold.

    Lastly, Freemasons leave the group all the time. Some leave for poor reasons while others leave for personal or financial reasons. It just depends on the man.

    I would point out though that many of these characteristics fit the description of some of the anti-Masons I have met.
     
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    Isn't it true that Masons monopolize business and make secret deals that are inconsistent with a free market?
     
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    I do believe that the evidence for this is impressive.
     
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    A "G" could stand for a lot of things, -God, geometry, ect.

    But why would it a be a "G" in the English language? If we use Latin the possibilities change. One of the possibilities is the Latin word "gnosis" - knowledge. It's a neat trick because of the "N" sound instead of a 'G". You know how these secrect societies are though, first they coax you in with a piece of bread....

    "Gubenare" - It's a verb.- To Control.
     
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    ffs, G stands for Gandalf
     
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