Ask a Jew Part Too; Commentary

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  1. danielpalos

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    I believe you may be begging the question. Was it really "sexual immorality" or merely practitioners of the abomination of hypocrisy finding a scape goat. From our own history, even the former Party of God was guilty of practicing what they wanted to condemn a democrat president for, last millennium.
     
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    I wasn't thinking about the "afterlife." I forgot that is a major focus in Christianity.
    I was thinking about a relationship with G-d in this life.
    I have found that that helps people live life to the fullest; and to the best as one can be to other living things;
    and, to live by the golden rule.
    My suggestions are only suggestions if a person were interested.
    I have observed that for those that are interested, attempting to understand one's religion and the "Why's" of it, is useful.
    If it's not useful, it's not useful.
     
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    I would love to have a true witness bearing relationship with a priestess dedicated to a goddess of Love, to help me become more moral and potentially more holy, by praying for true love and performing true love rituals.
     
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    You don't have to say it the way I do.

    That Truth is that that the word "day" actually means an unspecified duration, and it corresponds better to the seven days of cration than assuming they were 24 hour durations.
    You don't need a whole new religion to make those in the one you mentioned stop preaching erroneous stuff.

    You can tell them in your own way that the 24 hour day wasn't even around until the solar clock was created on the 3rd-4th Era as stated in Gen 1:14.

    What an intellectually honest person can not do is criticize religion without adding the in spite of them, the Bible is correct.
     
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    That would a woman like your Mom who cared enough for you to help you adjust to what Love really means as opposed to the short lived sensations of Lust:


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    But you did not deny that the Bible separates the two sides here, encouraging a sexual morality of prudence on its side, while opposing and preaching opposition of the sexually promiscuous behavior on the other side.

    So rather than "begging the question," it is my point that this moral question appeared in every past Golden Age and confronts us now, in this one.
    It has legs, this question, from one empire into the next.
    It is a question of morals that we have fought about as one empire rose and fall after the last.

    I see this as the Great Harlot who sits on the seven headed beast of these great empires, in every historical case.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    1) Yes, that I why I say the Jews are Talmud observant, because in that book the Oral responses to all questions can be found and repeated as what was then the best answers the most studious Jews could come up with.

    My complaint is that those ancient answers are held in more regard than any modern commentary based on a reading to the scriptures themselves.
    Even the language of those response from antiquity is misleading because it embodies a vocabulary fill of connotations that mislead.

    2) We see that this 15th century Rabbi had the story of Genesis right, but even with the science correspondences of today, his different point of view is not now seen as such to supersede the resected body if the establishment, and only research even brings his view to light.
    Were he not a member of the body of Rabbi, he wouldn't even have that.


    3) Whereas you minimize the value of changing the way Genesis might better and more rationally/scientifically be told and understood as of minor importance, you ignore the frontal assault of the Bible right now, because the church leadership stonewalls against Evolution and refuses to see it as described in Genesis, insisting that these 6 days we 24 hour durations.

    While this occurs on the one hand, the churches empty out and secularism grows in the next generations.
     
  8. danielpalos

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    I believe a person who dedicated her whole life to worshiping a goddess of Love, may be more conducive to the greater glory of my immortal soul, than anything else religion has to offer in modern times.
     
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    No, but then I do distinguish between morals of the Iron Age and morals of a modern Information Age. In my case, I am practicing not judging women by the clothes they may not be wearing on the Internet and porting it to real life whenever I have the presence of mind to do so.

    In any case, the abomination of hypocrisy is not as Age dependent as modern safe sex practices in modern times. Why is hypocrisy given a "free pass" in modern times, but only human sexuality is deemed worthy of the coercive use of force of the State?
     
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    Are you suggesting that the suppression of overt sexuality by the Institution of Religion has not been a social force throughout the ages, all of them since Moses?

    Do you not see the confrontation between the sexually promiscuous West and the world of patriarchs like China, N Korea, Islam, etc.?
     
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    I've told you , I've been to Israel twice - been and seen how Jews handle their "power" . I suggest you remove your blinkers + take a trip to Occupied West Bank .

    Watch - listen and learn - or perhaps you haven't got the stomache to face a few facts . huh ?

    [video=youtube;oSZJePyGfsU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSZJePyGfsU&NR=1&feature=endscreen[/video]


    (Turn the sound down )

    [video=youtube;NEe88NpsfCM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEe88NpsfCM[/video]


    Pictures /videos speaks louder than words.


    .......
     
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    sorry must break - back after a while .

    cheers.
     
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    No. I only find it disingenuous to blame only human sexuality in modern times instead of the timeless immorality of the abomination of hypocrisy.
     
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    To continue - for Cupid Dave



    Wouldn't you think the same can be said for most (gentiles) i.e. church going Christians and practicing muslims. No ? people are people - Let's not overdo the the generalization and trying to place Jews as morally superior to everyone else, which they are certainly NOT.


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    Let's say , it was 50/50 at best - a disproportionate number of Jews controlled Germany's vice dens , and underworld activities.- during the aftermath of WW1 during the economic depression yers. .

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    I disagree - I do not think it was "jealousy" - Jews was very active Communists /Marxist and "Workers of the World Unite " etc. who was recognized as a threat to Germany's post WW1 industrial recover. Whatever other reasons for Adolf 's policies - _

    " No matter what political reasons are given for war,(conflicts) the underlying reason is always economic."
    ~A. J. P. Taylor



    btw - Adolf also had valid argument blaming Jewish bankers/financial elite - for Germany's WW1 defeat.



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    Its not about blame...

    It IS about getting things straight here and now in our life time, as we ponder the meaning of life itself, realizing the purpose is to survive, and not just in the personal sense, but in regard to the survival of the species, itself.

    I care nothing at all for the past stupidity or ignorance or evil.
    I care only that he scientific and sociological facts support the Biblical message of pending national destruct for America, because it reminds us through prophecies which have come to pass again and again, that America is next:


    Rev. 17:3 So he carried me away (in the spirit of thought), into the wilderness (of my imagination) and I saw (as if) a woman, ...

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    .... (those who have Institutionalized a system of sexual seduction into a failed matrimony), sit upon a scarlet coloured beast (of a brazen and corrupt sexually misdirected economic system: [Dan 3:1-5]), full of names of (Pagan) blasphemy, having seven heads:
    (which existed in (1) Egypt, (2) Assyria, (3) Babylon, (4) Persia/Mede, (5) Greece, (6) Rome (7) the whole of Western Culture to follow)...

    [​IMG]

    ... having ten horns upon these seven heads:
    (1. Undivided Empire; capital Rome: [305 AD],

    2. Western Roman Empire: (Romulus Augustus): [to 476 AD],

    3. Eastern Roman: Byzantine Empire, [1453 AD]

    4. Charlemagne, [800 - 1000 AD]

    5. Holy Roman Empire, [1200 AD-1492 AD]

    6. Italy, [Renaissance, 16th century]

    7. Spain, [17th century]

    8. France, [18th-19th Century]

    9. Britain, [19th-20th century]

    10. Nazi Germany, [20th century])


    11. America next…?
     
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    Yes, I bet they are starying ti get mad at these Palestinians who are lying abiut everything, and gaining traction by infiltrating the American Universities and spreading the one sided arguments, crying they are undogs, and all the time, bombing the Isral]eli school buses.
    If I were to have a say in what Israel ought to do now, after 7 years of great patience now growing thin, these people in Gaza who endorsed the terrorism of the Hamas by a 90% vote woukd not be considered innoicent citizns at all.
    Nassive tital retaliatiin on any site firing rockets woukd become so usual tat the people at thiose sites woukd enforce a No Rocket Policy immediately.

    Now, while Hezabollah and Iran are so busy in Syria, and Egypt is still in anarchy is the time for this action.

    If the Jews were to be reading my postings, they would also at this time, right after straightening out Hamas with no uncertainty, give Iran an Atomic Ultimatum to take down the A-bomb sites immediately or see that whole areas housing them destroyed with nuclear employment.

    I have no idea why you are sympathetic to this other side which at virtual war, when war is Hell and they have n[been asking for one since 1948.
    The best way to make lasting peace is to do what America did to Japan and Germany, i.e. teach the enemy how nice peace and co-existence really is.

    Oh, And my plan would include the entrance into southern Lebanon and the capture and elimination of Hezabollah still there while their main forces are in Syria today.
     
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    I believe it is fiscally irresponsible to soothsay doomsdays for free; we should be charging doomsday tax rates for it.
     
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    Hi Mr Marlowe,...

    I want to at least respond to this, though I believe moishe has defended against these points you are presenting here that sum to making the Jews the bad guys and suggesting that they are a different kind of human than the history of humanity has portrayed other nations and peoples.

    Here you explain that the Jews who lived in Muslim nations faired quite well over the centuries, which is besides the point of my reference to treatment of Jews in Europe.
    I believe you will agree with me that they had centuries of hearing, "Go back where you came from."

    I have no complaint about the Jews and the Arabs before 1948, though I bet you are dead wrong about a freedom of religion when living under Islam.
     
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    These Golden Ages listed above crumbled while the liberals within them ridiculed the idea that such an End Times was coming, because until it did, the empirical proof of such a prediction was not available to convince them otherwise.

    Of course, after the Golden Age was converted in a dictatorship, as was the case for Democratic Germany before 1933, the issue was mot and never mentioned again, as was the case when the end came by invasion, and the conquerors could care less about which side of the vanquished people had been right about the demise of that nation now controlled by the patriarchs who tore it down.

    But we, today, in this era of Empirical Science can referred to the Scientific Method applied to this Sociology, and see that the predictions for the last ten European heads have indeed fallen as predicted by this theory.
    Part of the empirical evidence lies in the fact that no democracy has ever been able to exist longer than 250 years, which is just about the age of our own.

    What the Bible has long been forced to present a prophecy, today we can call prediction based upon sociological experiences.
     
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    te land between 2 seas is (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) of of a prophecy. I love this land. But we in this case are the bad guise to 'invisible hand'
     
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    America was only 80 years old when that nation opposed the slavery the British had instituted before the country broke away from it by revolution.
    Prior to 1776, we must remember that it was Europeans who own these lands which Americans now possess.

    The people we call Americans today stood up for freedom, fought the bloodiest war ever to back up their commitment to freedom, and spent another 80 years demanding that all civil rights be acknowledged for every citizen.

    No other nation had had the immense number of the Black population to integrate with.
    These European nations today which are experiencing uprising, Britain and France, for example, illustrate the benign neglect that they have had for people of color, while little attention over the years has pointed that out, while the USA was such an easy target.

    It is my opinion that America is being used today as a target, while the truth remains clear, generations of American since 1776 have advanced the cause of freedom and equality for the Black people as fast as has been humanly possible, one generation at a time.

    When I watch the Olympics I am always impressed that the ONLY integrated Team is American, while all these other nations present white Russians, Turkish muslims, Black Nigerians, etc.

    I insist America has Racial Solutions not racial problems....
     
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    the origical cowboys
     
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    how can i live forever?

    What is the life of mass?
     
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    Whether the prophecy was intended to support the sociology I put forth,... about the forces of patriarchy ultimately invading the ever weaker, war shy, girlie-man matriarchies or not,... it is immaterial to my use of it to make the sociological point clear.
     

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