Ask a Jew Part Too; Commentary

Istar...

This goddess was identified as the symbolic identity of a subcultural among women which has transcended the rise and fall of every great society even before Babylon, but clearly recognized and understood by the Jews during their forced captivity in Babylon, where they first saw exactly how the Gentile nations came under the feminine influences which turned them from initial patriarchies into evermore weaker and vulnerable matriarchies.

The social conduct of people who acted in the ways of an actual Harlot were well described by means of anthropomorphic identity with the Goddess called Istar.




This type of cultural behavior among women rises again and again in every great society, and precedes it fall into dictatorship or the conquest of some neighboring patriarch.
It is presently found in America, as the result of the 1960 Sexual Revolution and the rise of a Feminism that has led, for most women, to a state of Welfare dependency, raising fatherless criminal children as the coffers of the Tax payers empty out.


Istar: the practice is said to have deteriorated into prostitution and degraded cult practices which shifted focus from Istar, as a spiritual icon representing love in its noblest aspect, to lustful, sexual desire without love.

As culture changed, she became the reviled goddess of harlots and was exploited.


I identify the followers of this type of social behavior with those women who now represent that half of our culture, which refrains from marriage, and no longer helps us build a strong nation of good citizens, but mothers fatherless children into a criminal life thereafter as they child abuse piles up every social ill possible.

 

Ahahaaaaa...

Funny....
But the end of times isn't going to be doom.

It is the moment in time when the Jews finally understand the truth and accept it, which sparks a cataclysmic change in religion that directly affects 2 billion supposed Christians and 1.33 billion mislead Muslims.

The Jews will realize that for 2000 years they failed to recognize their own Elijah had returned in 32AD.
Ecumenicalism follows, since the Jesus who has long been adored by every other religion besides Judaism will now be their High Priest in a New Jerusalem, a place of peace for all nations.

 

The Christian point of view you hold to is the fuel for the fires of the worldwide religious revival that is about to begin as young Jews around the world evaluated the correspondences between Elijah's first visit 800 year before Jesus and come to see that the facts of what is written in 1 Kings are duplicated in the Gospel stories concerning Jesus:




1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22.. And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where .Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

3) Both Elijah and Christ. ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. .
12..And Elisha saw it,.

Luke 24:.51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born..

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:

1 Kings 19:14.. And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of ..I..srael have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and .I. .even I only .am .left..; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death

6) Both Elijah and Christ.... were hunted by the Jewish authorities:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?

7) Both Elijah and Christ.... hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth...

Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:....

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.


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I must admit that some of the things you write are intriguing. Not your theories on Elijah but, your addendum's and other speculations are sometimes interesting.

Anyway - According to some sources in Judaism, Moshiach ben Yosef is going to be a harbinger of the geulah; the Final Redemption. However, these same sources indicate that there can be many "Moshiach ben Yosef's," even at different times in history, towards the end of galus; the Exile of Jews from the Land of Israel.
The Moshiach ben Yosef's are those leaders that lead the Jewish People back to the Land of Israel and affect the world towards this Final Redemption.
We learn that Eliyahu HaNavi has been present for thousands of years at every Jewish seder on Passover and at every Jewish bris milah (ritual circumcision) and, sometimes "mystically" directing certain individuals throughout history.
We learn that Eliyahu will be "revealed" as The herald of the Final Redemption after Moshiach ben Yosef has laid the groundwork.
Moshiach ben Dovid will be the Redeemer. However, as with the above, there are many conflicting ideas on how and who this Redeemer might be and how he will lead and what might happen.
One minority view is that Moshiach ben Dovid is not a person at all but, an Age of Mankind (or, to be more precise, an Age of the Jewish Redemption of Mankind) where G-d will reveal Himself and His Chosen People will Return to His Holy Land of Israel and the Nations of the World will know Peace...

IMHO, one thing that we can be pretty certain of is that, as these things happen, we will not recognize what the heck is going on and will continue to be confused in our normal petty ways until G-d reveals His Plan to everyone.

 

HUH ? Did Daniel really say 2025 AD ? can you please direct me to the passage where he says 2025 AD ?

I've heard far too many prophesies - which later proved to be false.

As I've told you I'm a skeptic + whenever possible, I try to remain a realist.

- I'll believe Daniel when it happens - meanwhile I wont be wasting time over it.

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Originally Posted by Marlowe View Post


Question 2

2) What is “Babylon”, and who is “the Great Harlot” [the Whore of Babylon] spoken of by St. John in the book of Revelation?

The Question was already answered :

ANSWER:

In Revelation 18:24, St. John tells us “…in her [Babylon] was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on earth.”

In Luke 21:21, we read where Jesus told the leaders of Israel that “…upon you [Israel] may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar.” [/B

]In Luke 11:49-51, Jesus tells the rulers of Israel “Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ that the blood of all the prophets, shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it shall be required of this generation.”

Who, alone, is guilty of murdering “all who have been slain on earth”? Guilty of shedding “all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent Abel to the blood of Zechariah the son of Barachiah, whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar”? St. Luke tells us, doesn’t he? “God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ that the blood of all the prophets, shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you [Israel], it shall be required of this generation’”
Luke 11:49-51. --- Believe it, accept it, or doubt it: Babylon = Israel, according to the Bible.
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Yes, I agree with all you said here, but understand it as supporting a perspective quite differ from what it apparently means to you.

For instance, the suffering messiah indeed was epitomized by Jesus, as the son-of-God, but followed by many others among the Jewish peoples as both are inferred in Isaiah 53, both the sons-of-god, Jesus and Israel.

Exodus 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:


But the way I see this is connected to prophecies in Genesis 22





Gen. 22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him, (an uncastrated male sheep), a “ram,” (also, figuratively, [ayil: the political chiefs]; symbolic of the European Jewish rabbi), caught in a thicket (of the Nazi persecution), by his horns, (or, his power: [symbolic Dictionary]):
and Abraham, (in analogy to God), went and took, (in place of the lamb of his only son, Isaac), the “ram, ” (the Jewish people and leadership in Europe of the 20th century to come), and offered him, (as a Burnt Offering, the sin offering, the Jewish people themselves: [Exodus 4:22 Then you shall say to Pharaoh, “Thus says the Lord, ‘Israel is My son, my first born.’”]), up (in holocaust) for a burnt offering (in the crematoriums of WWII, the Burnt Offering of Israel, the chosen son of God in the stead of (Isaac), his (only) son, (in analogy, as was Christ offered for their salvation).


Gen 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt ([nacah: try, prove]; use to show) Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am, (a parody of the name of God, himself, YHVH; [Exodus 3:14]).

Gen. 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, (as I shall take my own), thine only son, (as shall I take my only son), Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah, (a hill, like Golgotha, the place of the Skull, in Palestinia); and offer him there, (symbolically transferring guilt and sin to him; [Luke 24:47]), for a burnt offering, (a sin offering), upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Gen. 22:3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, (as would Jesus ride into Jerusalem to be crucified: [John 12:14]) and took two ([Matt 27:38]) of his young men, (as witnesses, as would Jesus take Mary and John to witness the Cross), clave the wood, (as if the pieces of the cross of Isaac's crucifixion), for the burnt offering, (the Jewish ritual for the transferal of sin; [Luke 24:47]), and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.

Gen. 22:4 Then, (as example to the years of the ministry of Jesus yet to come), on the third "day," (the third yom, or three durations of time: [Luke 24:46]), Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off, (in the future).


Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

 

As a "realist," face the fact that no one changes their behavior, neither their perspective on things until "it happens."
That is one of the fundamental sociological principles underlying prophecy.
If people would or could so do, then the unpredictability of the many timely re-directions between the event prophesied and the moment of the prophecy would make the choices and probabilities enormous.

 

Yes , one can change + grow, according to one's personal experiences , not necessarily in accordance with indoctrinated so-called " prophesies" from another person who died many centuries ago , who couldn't possibly have known abt human conditions/circumstances in sa, - 20th or 21st Century.

Sorry , I cannot agree with you in believing in fortune teller/clairvoyants + other who claim to foretell future events. On London's Stock Exchange , very experienced stock brokers are correct SOME OF THE TIMES , BUT - sadly not All the time.

We live in a materialist world , so I'd , frankly , frankly, rather ensure that I'm well provided for in this life. in my old age, than in the hereafter, and would sooner place my pension savings - portfolio with a reputable Stock Fund Manager than with look dead guys like Daniel.

read my siggy abt God and historians - ( same goes for dead "prophets"/ sages + fortune tellers ..

(wink)

 

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Great.
To follow up on what I said previously, these interpretations require other supporting passages in scripture in order to validate them as reasonable.
We must also search for and acknowledge any contradictory passages brought to our attention, too.


I have found no contradictions to this interpretation which suggests that as early as Genesis, the outcome of an individual crucifixion for the first son, followed by the sacrifice of the entire Jewish people, saved only by a remanent.
But I support this insight with these passages as a demonstration of what I believe you need do to support your idea on the harlot:


. Lands of the Heathen
Lev 26:38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.


Rev. 11:7 And when they, (the House of Jacob, i.e.; all of the ten tribes that vanished, and the House of Judah, i.e.; the the Jews of today, the two witnesses), shall have finished their testimony (against their own suffering messiah), the (seven headed) beast (of Western civilization) that (had) ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (in The Renaissance) shall make (secular) war against them, (these Jews of the diaspora), and shall overcome them (in 1942), and kill them (with gas and starvation and brutalities).

Rev. 11:8 And, (the House of Jacob and the house of Judah), their dead bodies shall lie in the street (of Nazi Paganism) of the great city (which is the tenth horn of Western Civilization), which spiritually (in its philosophical outlook) is called Sodom, (i.e.; a place practicing pagan sexual license and libidinal excess) and (that ancient place of Jew trust in the shadow of) Egypt, (the time of their confusion: [Isa. 30:2-3]: Egypt, the land of both their beloved Joseph and also, their slavery), where, (in their blindness of scriptural truth) also our Lord was crucified (among them in 32 AD).

Rev. 11:9 And they of the (the gentile) people and kindreds and tongues (in the lands of the Jewish dispersion, from the time of the beginning of the construction of the abomination of the Dome of the Rock in 688AD until 1948, i.e., 1260 years) among them, (during the Diaspora), and nations (both) shall see their dead bodies (in Concentration Camps) three days (of years, i.e.; 1260) and an half, (1942-1945), and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves (but disposed of in the Crematoriums).


Rev. 11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth, (in Nazi Western Europe), shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send (supposed Christian seasonal) gifts one to another; because these two prophets, (the holy people of the book), tormented them that dwelt on the earth.


Ezek 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
Ezek 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.


Rev. 11:11 And after (the Holocaust), three and an half days (of years), the Spirit of life from God entered into them, (the House of Jacob and the House of Judah), and they stood upon their feet (in the land Promised); and great fear fell upon them (in Islam) which saw them, (the prophecy of the Fig Tree, blooming, Hosea 9:10, was fulfilled: [Matt 24:32].

Rev. 11:12 And (the survivors), they (collectively) heard (the commands of Zionism), a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither (to the prophecy fulfilled, where all Nations can see the Jew returned to the Holy Land once again.).
And they ascended up to heaven (by complying with the voice, gathering themselves together in this Zionism) in a cloud (of peoples from Western Europe and all the world); and their enemies (especially in Palestinia) beheld them.

Rev. 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, (i.e.; Israeli Statehood), and the tenth part of the city, (that first small piece of the Promised Land), fell (to the returning Jews), and in the earthquake (of their in-gathering) were slain of (Muslim) men, seven thousand:
and the remnant (Islamic armies) were affrighted, and (all the Judaeo-Christian world) gave glory to the God of heaven (that prophecy of Daniel, 12:11-12, had been fulfilled as Christ had acknowledged and opposed the Maccabean interpretations).


(YOU MIGHT ALSO READ CLOSELY AND SEE THAT GOD DID NOT TOTALLY FORESAKE THEM AS YOUR OWN THEORY OF THE HARLOT SUGGESTS)

 

Cupid Dave the reasons I posted both Christian and Orthdox(ultra) Anti-zionist views yesterday was in response tor earlier claim saying "
"the wonderful movement of Zionism," which is really just Judeo-Christian "
AS I've pointed out Zionism is an abomination as is the Zionist state of Israel "

IMO - there no such thing as "Judeo-Christian" - Christianity is a rejection of Talmudic Judaism and as you might have noticed from Moishe - Jews in general repeatedly disrespect Jesus + all which is sacred to Christians .
Judeo-Christians is just another falsehood deceitfully introduced into our language.

Perhaps our expert , Moishe - can tell us whether there's an equivalent to Judeo-Christian , in common Hebrew useage amongst Jews .

Huh ?

 

So, in 12 yrs, will you be around and go on national news whether you're right or wrong?

 

Why didn't the Jews in Germany start killing Nazis as soon as they came to power, in widespread and organized violent uprisings? I really have no pity for the Holocaust victims. If the Zionists had been in Germany, Hitler would have backed down because a real Jewish self-defense would have upset a conservative German society and they would have blamed Hitler.

And in all the pogroms before that for almost 2,000 years, why didn't the Jews resist violently. I can imagine every Jewish child learning archery and all the people in the ghetto making the cowardly anti-semites pay for their rampages.

Why do the self-hating Jews at the New York Times get any respect at all from the Jewish community? Read their editorials around February 23, 1973, the preview of 9/11. This is not hindsight; that sissy attitude of thinking of the Israelis as trigger-happy cowboys playing at being tough is what invited the Holocaust and pogroms.

Why weren't there protests against Spielberg's movie Munich?

 

LOL...

What about this verses which diametrically negate you theory that God has turned against the Jews and somehow forgotten or disowned them, as if the Harlot had anything to do with the Jews, who were held in Babylonia while "She" reigned over that Golden Age that ended as Daniel tells with the invasion of the Persians????

What About these verses:


Lev 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, (become Hebrew-Christians), and the iniquity of their fathers, (i.e.; oppose the present Rabbi), with their trespass which they trespassed against me, (in the crucifixion of their own Elijah), and that also they have walked contrary unto me, (those points made in the New Testament);

Lev 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, (the chosen ones), and have brought them into the land of their enemies (Western Europe); if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity, (i.e.; Holocaust):

Lev 26:42Then, (after these Hebrew-Christians come to see the Elijah had returned in 32AD), will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land, (in 194.

Lev 26:44 And yet for all that, when they, (these adherents to their failed Judaism), be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.

 

BECAUSE....
The trusted in the Law,...

That was their error in 32AD, and exactly what Jesus had told them, the Law will not save them.
The Law will only be used to convict them, punish them, and prove its self incapable of salvation.

This is true of The Law, whether that Law is legislated by theocrats or Politics.

ONLY the Truth can and will save them.
That is why Jesus said, "I am the Truth, and the way, and the life" thereafter.

If the Jews in 1933 faced the Truth, accept the Truth, and reacted as many had, the Holocaust would have been unnecessary to a Germany without any Jews.
But they stayed because the Law required they give up all material possessions if they left.
How much better that they had spent the money on the Jews who could not afford to even leave.
How much better if they had forsaken Mammon, and in love for their fellow Jews, used all their resources to vacate every jew before the tragedy began.


Hitler confiscated enough Jewish money to pay for 1/3 the cost of his War machine.
What a misappropriation of those funds the Jews allowed to take place.

 

All that it takes for evil to prevail is for good men like you to let me do it all by myself.

The clear evidence in their Old testament proves that Christ was their Elijah, returned.
And their ancient "Tradition of the Seven Miracles" supports this evidence found in 1Kings, because Christ accomplished all seven and more.

1) Both Elijah and Christ raised the dead:

1 Kings 17:22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived.

John 12:1 Then Jesus six days before the Passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

2) Both Elijah, who never dies, and Christ were immortal:

2 Kings 2:1 And it came to pass, when the LORD would take up Elijah into heaven by a whirlwind, that Elijah went with Elisha from Gilgal

John 20:25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.

3) Both Elijah and Christ ascended into Heaven before witnesses:

2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
12 And Elisha saw it.

Luke 24:51 And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven

4) Both Elijah and Christ troubled Israel:

1 Kings 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel?

Matthew 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born.

5) Both Elijah and Christ were threatened by the authorities with death:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I even I only am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 11:53 Then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death

6) Both Elijah and Christ were hunted by the Jewish authorities:

1 Kings 19:14 And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away

John 7:25 ] Then said some of them of Jerusalem, Is not this he, whom they seek to kill?

7) Both Elijah and Christ hid in a cave/tomb:

1 Kings 19:9 And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah?

Matthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Both Elijah and Christ pondered in the wilderness 40 days and forty nights:

1 Kings 19:8 And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat forty days and forty nights unto Horeb the mount of God

Matthew 4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

9) Both Elijah and Christ walked on across the water

2 Kings 2:8 And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground

Matthew 14:25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea

10) Both Elijah and Christ let a person follow them across the water:

2 Kings 2:14 And he took the mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over

Matthew 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water to go to Jesus.

11) Both Elijah and Christ wrote only one thing, a letter, to people on Earth AFTER they had ascended:
2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:



12) Both Elijah and Christ appointed a successor, Elisha, by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ:

2 Kings 2:9 And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee. And Elisha said, I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me.
He, (Elijah), said, You have asked a hard thing. However, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so for you

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

13) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to raise the dead:

2 Kings 8:5 And it came to pass, as he was telling the king how he had restored a dead body to life, that, behold, the woman, whose son he had restored to life, cried to the king for her house and for her land. And Gehazi said, My lord, O king, this is the woman, and this is her son, whom Elisha restored to life

Acts 9:40 But Peter put them all forth, and kneeled down, and prayed; and turning him to the body said, Tabitha, arise. And she opened her eyes: and when she saw Peter, she sat up

14) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor the power to heal:

2 Kings 5:10 And Elisha sent a messenger unto him, saying, Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean. Then he went down and dipped himself seven times in the Jordan, as the man of God had said, and his flesh was restored like that of a little child, and he was clean.


Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. And leaping forth he stood and began to walk, and he went into the temple with them, walking and leaping and praising God.

15) Both Elijah and Christ gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other:

1 Kings 19:19 So he departed thence, and found Elisha the son of Shaphat, who was plowing with twelve yoke of oxen before him, and he with the twelfth: and Elijah passed by him, and cast his mantle upon him.

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven

16) Both Elijah and Christ asked that this "cup" be taken from them:

Kings 19:4 But he himself went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt

17) Both Elijah and Christ are said to have had miraculous births:

Jewish Encyclopedia:
Three different theories regarding Elijah's origin are presented in the Haggadah: Mention must be made of a statement which, though found only in the later cabalistic literature (Yal?u? Reubeni, Bere(*)(*)(*)(*), 9a, ed. Amsterdam), seems nevertheless to be very old (see Epiphanius, l.c.), and according to which Elijah was an angel in human form, so that he had neither parents nor offspring. See also Melchizedek.
Matthew1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1 Both Elijah and Christ destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests. Elijah destroyed the priests of Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome, 380AD:

1 Kings 18:40 And Elija said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

History: Universal Christianity in 380AD:
Revelation 20:4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years (32AD -1054AD)

19) Both Elijah and Christ were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.

2 Kings 2:2 I will not leave thee. So they went down to Bethel
2 Kings 2:4 I will not leave thee. So they came to Jericho
2 Kings 2:6 I will not leave thee. And they two went on

John 21:17] He saith unto him the third time,... "Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me?
Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, "Lovest thou me?"

20) Both Elijah and Christ condemned a Jezebel:

2 Kings 9:36 Wherefore they came again, and told him. And he said, This is the word of the LORD, which he spake by his servant Elijah the Tishbite, saying, In the portion of Jezreel shall dogs eat the flesh of Jezebel:

Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.

21) Both Elijah and Christ re-dedicated the Israelite people to God by raising up a new altar or temple:

1 Ki 18:30 And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down
And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.

22) Both Elijah and Christ chose one man upon which to build his following:

2 Kings 2:15 And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha. And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

23) Both Elijah and Christ were subject of a three day 'search' for their presence

2 Kings 2:1 And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, Send. They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not.
Luke 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.

23) Both Elijah and Christ wrote letters after they had ascended into heaven:

2 Chronicles 21:12 And there came a writing to him from Elijah the prophet, saying, Thus saith the LORD God of David thy father, Because thou hast not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat thy father, nor in the ways of Asa king of Judah,

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

 

It depends on your values, Marlowe.
Judeo-Christian is not a religious term but rather a political or values based term.
Believing Jews and believing Christians tend to share the same values.
I have more in common with a "born again" Evangelical Christian who values America; Israel; and Justice than I do with a Left Wing Jew who despises America; Israel; and Justice.

 

You are referring to politics and psychology.
That's fine but I've gone over the history of the Jews elsewhere in terms of what has happened in the past which has affected the Jewish world.

So, I'll give you the Torah answer - Because G-d Said so.

G-d Promised not to let His Children of Israel cease to exist in This World.
There was a deal made at Mt. Sinai that the Jews would accept G-d as their G-d; and G-d would keep the Jews as an Eternal People.
When the Jews strayed from this bargain, G-d strayed from His protection of the Jews.
Ultimately, as G-d Promised, The Land (Eretz Yisroel) spit them out and the Jews were Exiled to be a Separate Nation outside of the Land of Israel.
And so it went - whenever the Jews began to assimilate or stray from Judaism, G-d would let the Nations of the World punish the Jews.

Before the Holocaust, huge numbers of Jews; perhaps the majority; were not keeping their end of the bargain. They were rejecting G-d in order to become Germans, or Americans, or Frenchmen, or Dutch, or Soviet Russians, or anything except being a Separate People - the Chosen People of Israel.
G-d promised in His Torah that if the Jews did not keep themselves Separate from the Nations of the World, that the Nations of the World would make them Separate.
And, that is exactly what happened.

Afterwards, the dying, scattered, impoverished, totally defeated and subjugated remnants of the Jewish people, did something that no other people have ever done the history of all mankind.
G-d miraculously Created the State of Israel and has miraculously defeated all those Nations of the World that wish to destroy the State of Israel.
G-d Created the only place on Earth where His People cannot simply assimilate and disappear.
Hashem Created the secular, "godless," State of Israel where all Jews who wish to deny G-d and run away from G-d's Torah can only become Israelis - who are still Jews living in the Land of Israel that G-d Promised to the Jews....

I don't know why Hashem does what He does.
However, He seems to be very good at it.

 

The Zionists financed the Nazis because they needed an enemy to force the Jews to move to Palestine so that they could steal the land. Their plan worked.

 

The term Judeo-Christianity bothers you?

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Web definitions


Judeo-Christian: being historically related to both Judaism and Christianity; "the Judeo-Christian tradition.

When I said Zionism is "related historically to both Judaism and Christianity tradition," I meant that these people all see the fulfillment of prophecy in 1948, and understand it is The sign of the end, which Daniel tells us finalizes in 2025AD.

 

You forgot to add that the harsh lesson has been learned, Never Again!

Never Again will the Jews sit idle, as Iran builds the next stockade around them, creates the military might needed, and prepares the crematorium of the A-Bomb.
Fenced in by Hamas in the south, Palestinians on the East at their West Bank, and Hezabollah in the North, the Jews must embargo the western sea access so the gate can not be closed.
The prophesied moment of Muslim anarchy in Egypt, the chaos in Syria, the unrest in Turkey, and the stand-off between Shiite and Sunni in Iraq leaves Iran naked and alone now for a fair fight, el mano e mano.

Israel will defang Hezabollah, show the citizen-army of Gaza that they will all suffer if they persist with the rocket attacks, imprisoned with a wall that separates them from harming Israel, the West Bank has been separated by physical reality since the people there could not handle separate but equal.

All that needs be accomplished now is a declaration of War against Iran, with the one Ultimatum, backed by the Israeli A-bombs available: "Disarm or fight now to the finish."

 

I approve of your sentiments cupid dave, however...
I was referencing what the Torah tells us regarding the Land of Israel and the Jews.
One thing is quite clear in the Torah - G-d indicates that "secular, godless" Jews who claim the Land of Israel as their Land have a problem.
G-d may protect His People because they are, indeed, His People but - they will never defeat the forces of Yishmael (Arabs and Muslims) or even Esav (Christians and Europeans) by sheer "godless" military might.
What G-d does promise is that if Jews are faithful to G-d and His Torah that they will live and prosper in the Land of Israel and - that Yishmael and Esav will repent of their hatred of Yaakov (the Jews and Israel) and then there will be peace.
Without that core contingent of Torah observant Jews, it is very sketchy as to what battles Israel will be allowed to win...

As you have a different view of the destiny of the Jewish People and yet, you strongly support them and Israel vis a vis your statement above, it would be good if you could think about this and then think about how important Torah observant Orthodox Jews are to G-d's Plans for the Redemption of Israel and, for the rest of the world...

 

If you were a Torah observant Jew and thought outside the box of the Talmud, these passages below would inspire you confidence in my predictions:


2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.

4 In that day, saith the Lord, I will smite every horse, (symbolically meaning a reference to philosophical or religious ideas), with astonishment, (like Christ was the Elijah??), and his rider, (the various priesthoods of Jew, Muslim, and Christian?) with madness:
and I will open mine eyes upon the house of Judah, (now in Israel), and will smite every "horse," (again, symbolically, meaning a reference to Judaism here?), of the people (of Israel) with blindness, (in that they can see no way out of comparison between 1Kings and the Gospels).

5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the Lord of hosts their God.

6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand, and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.



God has waited for the Jews to understand the scriptures, but he is fulfilling them in spite of themselves:

In 1948, God saved Judah, and later, in 1980, he made Jerusalem the Capital city again:

7 The Lord also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.
12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.

 

So you think running away was the answer?

You missed the whole point of millennia of anti-semitism, of which the Holocaust was only one incident and no more of a signal to change tactics than all the others that never should have been put up with.

Freud, with his insulting idea that all men are Mamas' Boys, either influenced the Jewish cowardice or reflected it. So I see intellectual weaklings at work there. A manly Jew later criticized the silly diary of Anne Frank as escapist intellectualism. He said she should have been working with her boyfriend to build bombs.

Other groups have been materialistic and still fought. Just because today's Greedheads are gutless puke Chickenhawks should not influence your ideas about materialism. If that's what drove the Jews, they still should have fought to keep their possessions.

Not taking Hitler seriously is another yellow spin. His insulting and seriously screamed threats alone should have called for violent retaliation. The similar European Islamic extremism should be met with resistance now, even if it seems more focused on the Gentiles. You're next, I can guarantee that.

Another coward's way out was that if the Jews resisted, it would give the anti-semites an excuse to start the Holocaust. That is never an option. It is better to arm first and take your chances of being viewed as a threat than to passively lie low and take your chances that such appeasement will leave you helpless. The Poles also were told by the British and French not to mobilize in 1939 for fear of provoking the Nazis. Again, as with the yellow Jews at the New York Times over the preview to 9/11, this is not "foresight is 20/20." Anyone who ever accuses the Israelis of being over-aggressive is just a gutless girlyman. The Sulzbergers' editorials leave a reeking yellow stain of snobbish sissiness.