Ask a Jew Part Too; Commentary

Although, of course, the totalitarian thought control of our present ruling class would give you such a silly explanation, that was never the plan. The Churchill generation set up Israel to fight the inevitable Nazislami jihad and the Appeasement Generation did their thing to try to stop the Zionists.

 

I like your references. However, they have nothing to do with the Talmud - nor did mine.
Your viewpoint that I was referring to is that you imply that you understand scripture and its references based on on your particular viewpoint. I find that rather circular logic.
What I stated previously is clearly stated in the Torah; by G-d; in the Written Torah.
Jews put themselves in a predicament when they disavow G-d and His Torah in the Land of Israel.
So Says G-d.
G-d Promises victory to the Jews when they keep His Torah and live by His Covenant with the Jews.
Until then, He apparently still gives Jews in the Land of Israel His protection and miracles.

I am not as sanguine as you are about predicting how this all works...

 

Why do you think it should bother me ? However , imo + perhaps in Moishe's to link the two opposing believes systems - is daft.

All you'got to do is "ASK A JEW " Moishe has made the Jeishish view of Christianity a few days ago with his attack on Jesus , did he not. ?

You should really check what most Rabbis say abt Jesus's mother etc.etc.
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That's your choice , there are many Charedim/Chasidic Anti-Zionist + Christian-hating Jews in Israel , who would violents disagree with you . for example like these guys :

[video=youtube;OlT3ARuUSGc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlT3ARuUSGc[/video]



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The attitudes being displayed by those folks in the black garb reminds me of the non-theists on this forum.

 

moishe says :

Of curse you would say that now , wouldn't you, ? Its obviously in your own best present day interest. izzin it

Considering that you've earlier on this thread admitted to holding three more contradicting opinions ( perhaps - even loyalties ) at the same time (wink)

 

, that 's your opinion , , others see them as representatives of Jews,


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Based on their conduct, others may see them as 'atheists' or simply as non-theists. Perspective really is a witch, isn't it?

 

Here's some more for you to think about :

[video=youtube;IX9Tk2TMA6Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9Tk2TMA6Q[/video]

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I would have to conclude that the young man is taking a definite militant stance.

 

Them "atheists " ? Come on F-F sake - have you ever heard any of those guys denying the existence of a god ?

I've been to Israel TWICE - first before 1967 Tel-Avic/Lydda /Haifa/Acre etc. , second time time AFTER 67 - on a Holy land tour - J'lem / Hebron etc.etc the lot . I've seen what its like and what Israeli Jews are like.

Go see for yourself.


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This whole side discussion is about perspective and how some may view others. Now are you going to deny the possibility that some others may view them as atheists or simply as non-theists? Your travels and adventures are both irrelevant.

 

Please note ALL Jews in black garb - ARE NOT THE SAME - there are many who are not Zionists , who're working and who'd sincerely wish to live in peace amongst gentiles and await the coming of their Messiah. Here in England there's a fair number same in America Brooklyn :


[video=youtube;i0g9ZCqQj74]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0g9ZCqQj74[/video]



and also in Israel :

see them burning the flag of Amalek - IN Israel :


[video=youtube;3ev7NOOZhlc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ev7NOOZhlc[/video]

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My travels and personal experiences / direct contact with people in the real world , are very relevant , its how I've arrived at my own conclusions./opinions

Unlike some people , keyboard travellers , who apparently base theirs on
whichever blog/ web site they choose to visit.

 

And your point is what? It is still all about individual perspective.

 

The Jews exemplified the behavior that the Christians only preach when they turned the other cheek in 1933, and gave the Western Europeans the benefit of both their doubts and the assumption that they believed in the Christianity they had preached for 2000 years.

Turning the cheek was then replaced by Never Again which is the Christian teaching too, once the other side has had a fair chance to willingly behave properly.

 

Mr Marlowe, I do not understand this response since I gave you the dictionary definition ofor the term Judeo-Christianity, in spite of anything moishe may have said to the contrary.

As regards Mary, the Muslims and the Jews, and any non-believer implies that Jesus was a bastard, an illegitimate baby, and his mother a promiscuous harlot much along the same lines as the girls in France and other conquered towns and countries during the Nazi occupation.

This kind of behavior is so characteristic of the women, in general, i.e.; to immediate fraternize with the enemy for favors as they trade sexual benefits with them that the accusation is hardly an unwarranted attack on Mary if you are not a Christian.

But that she gave birth miraculously is really just another parallel with the stories passed down about Elijah, who they say had neither father nor mother.
After all, the story was just passed down after the crucifixion apparently coming from Mary if true, or a report to us of what people actually believed when the Gospels were written.

It reports what people were saying doesn't it.
Muslims don't believe it either.

 

Have you traveled to France,...?
Maybe the Israelis you meet where rooted in French Jewry?

 

I more than agree that "what G-d does promise is that if Jews are faithful to G-d and His Torah that they will live and prosper in the Land of Israel.

It is my underlying postulate that scripture reveals the Sociology that strong, safe, secure, successful societies are founded upon the morals that support family as the foundation for their nation.
Conversely, that sexual promiscuity has the effect of destroying the family unit, and turns such a nation into a feminized, weak, vulnerable, dangerous target for enslavement to a dictator, (as it did in Germany), or invasion and conquest ( as it did time and again for Israel).

The conversion to Jesus as their Elijah, and hence, the change of their secular outlook,... will be concurrent with my statement that Israel now has the God-given power to protect herself, especially as the anarchy of her enemies everywhere is disintegrating their own strength.

 

By your logic,Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy were the same person.


1. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were elected to Congress in '46 (1846 in Lincoln's case, 1946 in Kennedy's). Both became President in '60.
2. Both had lazy eye muscles which would cause one eye to wander.
3. Both had been skippers on boats (Lincoln on the Mississippi river boat 'Talisman' and Kennedy on the PT-109)
4. Both were the second sons in their families. Each lost a sister to death before becoming President. Both married 24-year-old brunettes who had been previously engaged to other men, and who spoke French fluently.
5. Both had a child die while living in the White House.
6. Both were related to U.S. Senators, U.S. Attorney Generals who graduated from Harvard, and ambassadors to the Court of St. James.
7. Both were acquaintances of a man named Adlai E. Stevenson who ran for either Vice-President or President, a doctor named Charles Taft and a man named William Graham.
8. Both were advised not to go to the place where they died.
9. Both Lincoln's theater box and Kennedy's car were altered for their benefit (Lincoln's theater box had a partition removed to accomodate his party, Kennedy's car had a raised rear seat)
10. Both were slain on a Friday before a major Holiday (Lincoln on the Friday before Easter, Kennedy on the Friday before Thanksgiving). Both were shot while sitting next to their wives and in the presence of another couple. Of the other couple, the man was also wounded by the assassin, but neither wife was wounded.
11. Both were shot from behind and in the head. Both of their wives cradled their husband's heads after they were shot.
12. John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln from inside a theater, and fled to a warehouse. Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy from inside a warehouse and fled to a theater.
13. Lincoln was shot while inside the Ford theater, in box 7. Kennedy was shot while inside a Ford automobile, in car 7 in the motorcade.
14. Both were pronounced dead in places with the initials P.H. (Lincoln in the Peterson House, and Kennedy in Parkland Hospital)
15. Both of their assassins escaped, and were killed before going to trial.
16. Both of their assassins were privates in the military. Each was detained after the shooting by a policeman named Baker. Both were eventually killed by a Colt revolver.
17. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were succeeded by southern ex-senators named Johnson who were born in '08. Both Johnsons were in their mid-fifties when they took the office and both suffered from urethral stones (the only presidents to have them). Both Johnsons could have run for re-election in '68, but chose not to.

 

Huh ? where the fk did you get the notion that Muslims - view Mary as a harlot and Jesus as b'****. ?

I'm no expert on Islam - but I've never heard such a falsehood. On the contrary Jesus and his mother are highly respected by Muslims. .


Here's a quick C + P from Wiki (I'm sure you'll find same/similar everywhere else:

"Mary (مريم Marīam in Arabic), the mother of Jesus (Isa), is considered one of the most righteous women in the Islamic tradition. She is mentioned more in the Quran[1] than in the entire New Testament and is also the only woman mentioned by name in the Quran.[2] According to the Quran, Isa was born miraculously by the will of God without a father. His mother is regarded as a chaste and virtuous woman and is said to have been a virgin.

The Quran states clearly that Isa was the result of a virgin birth, but that neither Mary nor her son were divine. In the Quran[B], no other woman is given more attention than Mary and the Quran states that Mary was chosen above all women:[/B]


Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah hath chosen thee and purified thee- chosen thee above the women of all nations.

—Quran, sura 3 (Al Imran), ayah 42[3]

The nineteenth chapter of the Quran is named after her and is, to some extent, about her life. Of the Quran's 114 suras, she is among only eight people who have a chapter named after them. Mary is specifically mentioned in the Quran, alongside Asiya, as an exemplar for all righteous women.[4] Mary plays an important role in Islamic culture and religious tradition, and verses from the Quran relating to Mary are frequently inscribed on the mihrab of various mosques, including "

more here :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_in_Islam


Dave please try checking your facts before making such foolish statements

Peace ..:

 

Rationalization of cowardice. Whatever was wrong with them is also wrong with Americans today. Not that the ruling class needs to exterminate us, but it has pushed us around all our lives and I don't see any manly reaction to it. This is unAmerican just as the 30s Jews were unZionist, if you want to compare the two bands of yellow.

In the 1770s, the British didn't go around killing Americans and didn't impose a totalitarian tyranny. But what they did do was enough to drown their rule with blood. The Patriots didn't say, "Lets's see how far they'll go and then we can shame them when history judges that they were tyrants."

 

The fetus doesn't have a soul, so the story could be interpreted that it was the fetus of Mary and Joseph and the child of God. The Jews were already Chosen, so God used the whole nation as the staging area for the Gentiles' Messiah. Since anti-semitites are traitors and agents of the ruling oppression, they made up this "rejection" by the Jews of the Gentiles' Messiah so that the cowardly common people would have a scapegoat and a comfort in their unmanly submission to self-appointed authority. This has been an effective weapon for Class Supremacist bullies; that's why the Liberals, Libertarians, and Neo-Confederates are trying to revive it.

 

Hahaaaaa....

Pretty good indeed.
Yes, I heard that analogy and you are correct that it ONLY seems that Abraham L came back.

And it is no proof that he did, either.
But in the case of the Bible story, for 800 years the Jews EXPECTED Elijah to come back, and they had stated in their Tradition that when he did, they would identify him by what he did, especially his miracles.

If this was not Elijah, matching these dozens of previous correspondences, how do you suppose we ought identify him if we say he was John the Baptist, or even yet to come back, as the Jews still maintain today????

 

Nor am I an expert on Islam either, but in discussions with Muslims who deny Jesus was the son-of-god, the resurrection, Trinity, and as far as I have had experiences in discussions with them, the immaculate conception.

They do not a I remember call Jesus a bastard, nor Mary a Harlot perhaps, but, by definition, that is what would be the case if they or anyone denies the virgin birth.
True or not true?