Assisted dying/Euthanasia

He ended up in the same place as anyone else. Dead and buried. An object, not à life anymore.
But as you say the religious squad have an illogical and disconnected attitude to préservation of life. Once à child is born they are happy with supporting ways to destroy it.

 

In this case, because the grown adult does not want to live any longer because of disease.

They shoot horses, don't they?

 

Yes

 

But the same idea about preserving life should apply to life, no matter what the circumstances.
So if you allow unviable unborn to live you cannot remove the life of someone in any circumstances.
Or stop this excuse for abortion as going against gods gift of life.

 

That anybody in the federal government gives a damn about preserving life is an illusion, a mirage. Coercing and frightening millions to take toxic serums into their bodies proves that. Decades of perpetual wars brought under fraud proves it.

If a person is sick and old and tired of life, a person should have the right to a dignified passing in the presence of family and friends.

 

In my humble opinion I personally think life has conditions, specifically as it applies to a fetus. For instance, I personally do not believe human life begins at conception. In any case this misses the point that a fetus has no say in its demise, period, but assisted suicide is entirely decided by the grown adult, and has no relevance nor comparison to abortion.

 

The Biblical record approves of man taking of life during war and as lawful execution. It doesn't excuse murder...one human choosing to kill another out of emotion or out of gain. It doesn't approve of suicide...which I believe to be murdering of one's self.

But that is Biblical which of course not everyone adheres to. However with all things that go against God, chaos eventually reigns.

Assisted suicide is slowly but surely turning from allowing someone to make their own decision into coercion to "help" someone make that decision.

The pity on the sick and vulnerable is shallow. The real motives are saving money and resources.

When medicaid will not pay for expensive drugs that can bring length of life and quality of life, but will pay for assisted suicide...that in its self is coercion of the state to get rid of expensive people. When a person with dementia is brought along by family members to see the value of dying instead of being a drain on the inheritance...you can bet that has coercion tied to it.

 

Wait, so now we are moving the goal posts.

You criticized the US and those that support assisted suicide, as if it was an Americani only thing. Which it isn't.

Now we want to talk specifically about certain age groups?

 

wgabrie's "what if," was in answer to your calling all conscious decisions to kill, "murder." Often, those killed in war, are not due to accidents, but to the intentional direction of weaponry, by the opposing side. Therefore, by your way of looking at this, no one who was not also a devout pacifist, who would not have refused to take up arms, even to fight the Nazis, is thereby a confirmed hypocrite, if he nonetheless believes that life is a sacred thing (as of all those, perishing in concentration camps), and that the unborn deserve protection. Your argument holds no water, because sometimes killing cannot be avoided, and it is only a question of who will die. If someone is walking into a classroom full of children, with an AK - 47, and reams of ammo, is it hypocritical of one who believes in the sacredness of life, to stop that person, even if it requires killing him? I think, not.


But, you are right that, in war zones, those who die from falling down stairs, do not apply to this argument of differentiating murder from other types of killing.

 

That doesn't answer the question.

 

My point was the principle of the value of life.
It seems sometimes it is crucial and at other times it is dispensable.
IMO the contradiction needs to be sorted out in order to présent à unified cultural identity.

 

So if someone kills themselves how does the law have anything to do with that decision

 

Using your OP, I'd say because ONE had a life and the other has not HAD a life yet

 

I believe the principle of the value of life is crucial, human life is the foundation of all society and its dispensation requires major thought and consideration. Suicide is not terribly difficult because it is determined by the person doing the dying. Abortion is difficult because a fetus that is human life should never be taken (maybe other than in extremely rare egregious situations) because the life being taken has no say in the matter, and that makes it murder. IMO there is no contradiction allowing assisted suicide, allowing abortion of a fetus' (or zygote) that is not human (though I don't personally like it), and virtually never allowing an abortion of a fetus that is human.

 

For starters, Christianity is very broad, just like Islam, Judaism, and pretty much every other religion out there. In Christianity, there are even churches where the women sit on one side and the men sit on the other side. 7th Day Adventist churches are known for this as well as some Eastern Orthodox Churches. Of course, with Ultra-Orthodox Judaism, women are not allowed on the area of where men are at to pray. This is just an explanation, not condoning or condemning any of these practices.

That being said, most of the pro-lifers who do not want abortion under any circumstances use the Bible and their religious beliefs first as the foundation of why they believe abortion should not be allowed. Because they use their religious beliefs as the foundation for their belief that abortion is "murder" and should not be allowed. When it comes to abortion, religious beliefs play a huge role, sometimes for people who are against abortion and sometimes for people who are for abortion. We see this on this board with certain members who have expressed such beliefs.

The members and others are free to express such beliefs, however, the line to be drawn is to impose such beliefs onto others. I think that is what a lot of "Christians" do these days, mostly indirect when they claim "religious freedom" not to bake cakes for LGBTQ people or with abortion, among other things.

Most of these Christians do not act Christ Like and forget Romans 12:1-2 or some of the teachings of Paul in Galatians, Philippians, Colossians, and other letters Paul wrote, not to mention the parables that Christ taught.

 

If you are joining in the conversation and only want to start the conversation in the middle of the thread, then you no room to bitch. Try reading before posting next time.

 

I hope that you will agree that when someone has made up their mind to end their life nothing can be done to stop him.

However, you specified "legally" so I would say that after a psychiatric exam and assurances that the individual is not experiencing temporary stress then let him end his life in peace. That, by the way, is just my opinion but the source below has a list where assisted suicide is available:


"States Where Medical Aid in Dying is Authorized"
https://compassionandchoices.org/re...ries-where-medical-aid-in-dying-is-authorized

 

The Leftists want to prosecute anyone who commits suicide without government permission...lol

 

???...This didnt reply to anything that I actually said. Literally nothing.

 

Yes cause no one's god is certainly going to step in and ease the pain.

 

I think only you and I believe it terrible to assist depressed teens to kill themselves. Everyone else on this thread seems to think that is a-ok.

 

The topic of the thread is the OP. Which states:

"When living becomes unbearable should adults be able to legally end it?"


Sorry buckaroo, you don't get to establish what is and is not up for discussion based on your attempt to move the goal posts.

 

Again so, you couldn't be bothered to read all the posts. By the way are 18 years olds teenagers? Are they also adults? Do they get depressed? Do you support assisting them in suicide?

 

Any realistic notion of legal physician-assisted suicide would undoubtedly be dependent upon having a terminal illness and probably less than a year left of life expectancy or some similar caveat.

A depressed teenager would most certainly not be part of that discussion unless of course they had a terminal illness.

 

Doesn’t sound like that’s what the OP is advocating