At least 3 children and 3 adults killed in Nashville elementary school shooting

I know this, I am seeing one myself.

However, nowhere in any of my notes will you find things like "danger to himself or others".

However, James Holmes had multiple entries like that, and his shrink told nobody. As has been the case a hell of a lot over the years.

And yes, an evaluation of one being a danger to themselves and others is a disqualifier. Question 11f on the ATF 4473.

Of course, another issue is that people lie on the 4473 all the damned time, and are almost never prosecuted for it. To me, before we go around making new laws we need to start enforcing the laws we already have.

 

Are you suggesting that all persons wishing to buy a gun must undergo a mental evaluation? If so, what conditions are disqualifying? Does the eval expire? Would that apply just to additional purchases, or do all owners have to get re-evaluated? How does .gov even know who owns what?

 

None of which makes him a prohibited person.

You mean 21h



No. It doesn't.

Hunter BIden comes to mind.

 

I heard this morning someone say the church/school was actually her second choice, and she skipped the first (which was unnamed) because it was 'too hardened'. However, I don't have any idea what channel I was on (I've been bouncing around), and I haven't heard that since. Would really add nuance to this entire conversation, not just here but everywhere, if that turns out to be accurate.

 

Mental health checks will be greatly abused. I hope they never become a requirement to own a gun.

 

For once we agree on something.

 

You can't be wrong all the time...lol

 

Mental health checks for gun purchasing and ownership would get abused just like red flag laws already have. Some person who doesn't like guns and thinks you shouldn't have one either will report anyone they know that owns a gun. Karens, of both the liberal and conservative type, are why we can't have nice things....

 

I support a national carry card, like a driver license, which would allow people to carry anywhere in the US. To get the license would be very similar to getting a CCW license, which I got and was not inconvenienced at all. Mental eval could be part of that process, like background check (which is already part of it). Mental checks are already a part of the process, but only if you already have a history of mental illness.

Report.....for what?

 

I wouldn't oppose a national carry permit, as long as it's free and isn't damn near impossible to obtain.

The mental evaluation is a deal breaker. Always will be.

 

For anything. There have been many instances where someone was reported for mental instability as a form of revenge so they would have their guns taken away. Doesn't matter if it's true or not, just like some couples getting divorced report each other for various things that they may or may not have even done, just for spite....

 

You can try to report anyone for anything, but it won't have any effect on anything. You think I can just call the police and ask them to register my neighbor as mentally ill? It doesn't work that way,

 

That's an anti-gunner myth.

The 5.56, nor the .223 have any special design characteristics that make them more lethal. They don't "tumble", they don't "explode". All that is bullshit.

A shotgun is just as, if not more affective than a semi-automatic rifle chambered in .223/5.56.

 

Well, CNN was finally forced to admit that the mass murderer was a trans person, they were very unwilling to do that until absolutely forced to do so, but CNN went way out their way to pretend trans people were the victims. Yep, the Christians who were murdered in a targeted and politically motivated mass killing were not the victim. No, the "trans community" are the victims. You can't make this crap up.

"It is very unfair to trans people" CNN says giving no concern to the Christians who were targeted and murdered simply because of their religion. CNN says "trans people are far more likely to be targets of violence then perpetrators" which ignores that the #1 group committing violence against trans people are... Wait for it... Other trans people! As well as their romantic partners who are almost always also LBGT. CNN just lies and lies and lies.

 

Do you suggest that we require mental health evaluations and regular checkups to obtain and keep a driver's license? The sane person that passed a driver's test at 16 might be completely unstable when they are 24 and decide to cross into oncoming traffic and instantly kill a family of 4. And every driver you meet on the road every single day can do that any time they want. Just think of that. Every single oncoming driver you meet every single day can end your life in an instant if they so choose, yet we don't require mental health checks to obtain or keep a driver's license....

 

No. Read my post again if you have to ask what I said.

If you say so, but I never heard of that happening. Some people do have their driver licenses revoked

 

Not one person from the Alphabet Community has publicly condemned this crime.

 

An investigation still has to be done and your guns will still be taken until that investigation is over. I've seen multiple stories of people having their guns taken away for 6 months plus just because some spiteful person reported them as mentally unstabled....

 

And therein lies the rub. You never know when a person who was previously mentally stable enough to obtain a license and has no previous mental history will have a breakdown....

 

I am very pleasantly surprised to hear you say that.

 

This. In a close-quarters scenario, such as a classroom, you'd better pray the shooter has a pistol or AR and not a shotgun, because none of you are getting out of that room if they do....

 

I am sure some have but they haven't been publisized. There have been a ton of radical leftists, Antifa types, and TRAs who have openly cheered this attack on social media while others have sought to excuse and justify. That is sickening but also typical of the violent left these days. They love political violence, their goal is political violence, and Dems use every opportunity to promote it, shield the violent leftists committing these crimes, and excuse/justify it every chance they get.

 

I never heard of it, but sounds like its already the reality, and nothing new.

How is that 'the rub'. Of course any exception is possible, but the idea is to keep most the the criminally insane separated from guns, but clearly you don't like the idea.

I have been saying it for a very long time.

How do you know that, when literally everyone is condemning mass murder, including this one. It took me 30 secs to find an article where they condemn it. Why would they not condemn it?

So, you are saying this attack was political violence? How do you figure?

 

I was out on a jobsite last night and haven't kept up on all of the comments, but after looking at the news earlier this morning, they were pretty johnny-on-the-spot with that CCTV and bodycam footage. Same day. Really? In any other shooting, such as a police-involved shooting of a motorist, that footage wouldn't be released for weeks or months. Possibly never. Yet they killed this person, raided their home, found a manifesto, maps, motive, and released all video footage in less than a day......

 

Criminals will get their hands on a gun. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Hale obtained those weapons via some avenue other buying them: she stole, them, borrowed them, they were given to her, etc. I might be wrong, but we'll see.

Why didn't you post a link to that article?