Atheists To Hold Massive Rally On National Mall Next Month

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  1. Think for myself

    Think for myself Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, they are that simple. Amazingly so.

    It is not a belief system. It relies on the absence of belief. Not sure why you wish to redefine the English language to fit your failing argument here.

    Well, prove us all wrong here. Do the impossible, what no one in the history of the world has done. Provide some proof for your god existing.
     
  2. Yosh Shmenge

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    There is no "hypocrisy" involved at all. Only your seeming anger at questions for which there is no apparent answer. Could God create a rock so heavy that even He could not move it? That's your level of intellect on this issue.
    If you come up with a reasonable explanation for how the whole universe (everything you can see, hear or know of) got here I'll be happy to listen to it.
    Until then God is the only possible answer.
     
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    The bible says that "The fool says in his heart there is no God". I wonder if thats true?
     
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    I don't need to. Its a simple undeniable fact. It above boasting and prideful dispalys.
     
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    I don't believe it is.

    However, I leave such judgements to God.

    I personally wouldn't berate a person just because they didn't believe, unless they berated me for believing.
     
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    What is FSM, for context.
     
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    Here's the problem with religion. How do you know Christianity is true and Islam isn't?

    As an outsider to both faiths, I have equal amounts of reason and evidence to select either. How do you know your choice is correct and a Muslim's isn't?
     
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    Atheists might be trusted more if they stopped lying. Atheism is confined to small numbers of the decadent upper class and their badly-behaved progeny.

    quote: Nearly all U.S. respondents said faith is important to them and only 2% said they do not believe in God.

    LINK

    I dunno. Atheists killed tens of millions in the last century and deprived hundreds of millions more of basic freedoms. Tends to reduce levels of trust a bit.
     
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    I always love this argument. Atheists use it all the time. Fine. If you can't scientifically prove something than don't believe in it.

    Yet way too many people believe that gays are the way they are because they were born that way.

    Is there any scientific proof of a gay gene?

    If you can't prove that there is, then homosexuality is a choice.
     
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    Now I’m angry? :laughing: Build that strawman up!

    By the way, only the religious people claim that atheists claim that the universe always was. What does that mean? Yet another strawman!

    PS: In Quantum Physics, scientists have already proved that particles pop in and out of existence, can be in more than one place at once, etc. If particles can pop in and out of existence, then the universe can be made out of nothing.
     
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    If they were truly Atheists, they would not care.

    Everybody, including Atheists, are influenced in their actions by what they believe.
     
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    The bible was written 2,000 years ago by sheep herders.

    Way to stay current :thumbsup:
     
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    Czechs are some of the most secular people on the planet. They certainly wouldn't all be considered "upper class."

    Religions have killed a lot more people over human history than any atheist governments have.

    It is true that Communists have killed a lot of people to suppress religion, but again, they only make up a small chunk of history.
     
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    If you were truly christian, you wouldn't care about the march.

    Afraid of Atheists uniting? Afraid the religious power base will be gone?
     
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    Believeing that their absence of belief is in itself belief. Prove that God does not exist. That God exists is in what he created, including and or especially man, who is the only creature that has the capacity to commune with God.
     
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    Nearly all of us care when religion is used to influence laws, because it usually involves limiting liberties for the sake of a belief system we're not part of.
     
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    The situation precisely.
     
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    Okay.

    10char
     
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    No thank you. I don't argue the obviously inane. Your request is like someone trying to prove leprechauns do not exist.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Sexual_orientation_and_evolution

    Like most aspects of science, research in sexuality is a work in progress. Given how young even psychology overall is, there is much left to understand.

    Most evidence suggests that sexuality is a combination of genetics and environment. Nature and nurture each play a part. Choice can be part of it, but like most things -- it varies by individual.
     
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    Because of the historical record, and because Islam's holy Quar'an is a critque of the bible, not a substitute. Mohammads claim to be Gods prophet is contridicted by the life and teaching of Jesus and the apostles which agree with the old testament. The Qur'an does not in any way.
     
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    You must not know a lot about the history of the Bible..
     
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    Well I suppose to one who is used to superficial, non critical thinking it seems that way. I won't try to sway you and make you feel uncomfortable.

    I'm sure I demonstrated why that's not so. But again, I don't want to make you sweat so you have your way.
    If you say God is not responsible for the universe then you must explain how all this stuff got here. Invariably the atheist reply is I don't know.
    Since you've provided nothing to counter a claim for God (a difficult premise for some but the only reasonable one) then you've done nothing to disprove God (since you've offered no alternative).

    I know it's a high bar for you to get over, but still, the bar is there. You saying it isn't doesn't change things. Do try.

    Nice try but there is nothing in the world I could say to make someone believe what they wish not to believe. That's a child's game in action.

    Instead I would put the onus on atheists to explain away the universe remembering that I don't know is hardly an answer. It's the lack of an answer. Please do come back when you've figured things out and let me know how it went. I look forward to it.
     
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    Quite obvious actually.
     
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    What makes the Old Testament the final authority?
     
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