Australia arrests 183 for setting bushfires that celebrities claim were caused by climate change

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  1. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Oh, so I suppose if that outlet was to say that the sun produces heat, it would be wrong about that.
     
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    I "FatBack the factchecker" have rated the above claim as "fake news". I have spoken, so it is. lol
     
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    It's an easy and lazy way to not debate anything they report (or by extension, post based, thereon)
     
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    No, @Sallyally would say very openly that she did not in fact debunk that 24 people have been charged over allegedly deliberately lighting fires, given that she has said that she is aware of 24 arrests, in response to me asking her. Her reply here: http://www.politicalforum.com/index...phic-bush-fires.566538/page-5#post-1071324069
     
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    Would it not be easier to report instead of playing a hall monitor, if you think a violation has occurred?
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    You appear to have missed QUALITY fact checking posts such as this one:
     
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    Not my claim

    Up to you if you are posting something to check the trustworthiness of your source
     
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    Have you a valid critique of the site or are you just posting opinion?
     
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    No, that would be you and your "factcheckers".

    Of course you could, prove the claim wrong, your own self.

    Notice how easily I could ask you, your own question?
     
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    Ah! Yes!

    Bottom line - has no idea what the word “critique” means
     
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    I'm rubber, you are glue. You think posting a self crowned "fact checker" site =s a "critique"? That's...cute, I guess. Some might say disturbing, in a "ministry of truth" sort of way
     
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    No I asked you to do a critique of the site

    So far you have only posted opinion
     
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    You go first, right behind ya!
     
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    “The figure included statistics from some states covering the entirety of 2019, rather than just the current bushfire season, which began in October.

    In Victoria, 43 alleged arsonists were counted among the 183 arrested “in the past few months” and “since the start of the bushfire season”. That Victorian figure was, in fact, the figure for all of 2019.

    “There is currently no intelligence to indicate that the fires in East Gippsland and the North East have been caused by arson or any other suspicious behaviour,” a Victoria police spokeswoman said.

    The reported figure of 183 also includes 101 individuals from Queensland who were “picked up for setting fires in the bush”. But a Queensland police spokeswoman said the figure included a broader range of offences than arson, including the breaching of total fire bans, and was not a total of arrests, but a total of “police enforcement actions”.

    “Enforcement action includes charging, restorative justice or cautioning,” she said.

    Queensland police said between 10 September and 8 January there had been 1,068 reported bushfires in the state, of which 114 had been deliberately or maliciously lit through human involvement and have been subject to police enforcement action.

    The Australian subsequently updated its story to say the figure covered people “arrested since the start of 2019”.”

    dunno. Data are inconclusive. I’d be interested to see what you find.
     
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    Not since the Red Star has stopped publication.
     
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    So how do you describe the papers that aren't "right wing rags?"
     
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    You never seem to provide your sources. Where did the above come from?
     
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    Middle of the road.
     
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    The Guardian for example?
     
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    Climate change does not create bushfires - so trying to argue that it does is to try and avoid the issue. What it is doing is causing them to be here earlier and spread so that unlike fires which previously could have been put out without serious damage these are continuing to spread and cause serious danger to life and property.

    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...etween-climate-change-and-bushfires-explainer

    The Australian Government is insisting on risking the destruction of this planet and its people are one of the first to be experiencing extreme suffering because of this.
     
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    Middle.
     
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    Is that serious...and yet Europe had 45 deg C this Summer.
     
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