Australian man arrested for escaping quarantine camp

correct legally they have to have a passport which is permission. And it can be denied do you not know what a right is?

 

Legal right to travel. (Which they have until informed otherwise.) Said right being limited and bound by the relevant legislation and decision making processes in the US. As in you have a right to drive if you have a valid drivers license.

 

Legal right to travel doesn't equate to legal right to enter the country nobody has any right to come here. That is strictly a privilege that can be revoked at any time for any reason.

You really need to learn what a right is

 

To clarify some facts for you. Until very recently the 'camp (at Darwin in the Norther Territoy) was only used for inbound international travelers passengers and a small number of interstate visitors That all changed when COVID finally reached the isolated settlements in the Northern Territory where the incident you referenced occurred and where, as of this date the first death from COVID has been recorded, the person concerned being an elderly aboriginal woman from one of the large number of isolated (and they are all isolated) aboriginal communities in the Territory.

Now here are the key points. Almost without exception these communities don't have hotel accommodation, so they can't be used as an alternate for locals who may be infected. (Most international travelers entering Australia are actually housed in hotels, Darwin is the exception) . Indeed the closest you get to any potential isolation facility in the communities themselves are the local community clinic/out patient service. And you can't use them for isolating sick patients without effectively shutting them down. Now there are hotels in regional towns but there are often hundreds of miles separating these hotels from the communities people wish to travel between.

Next you need to grasp the sheer scale of the problem the NT government faces. The entire territory only has a population of around 250,000 people living in an area more than twice the size of Texas! Many of the population are aboriginal and many of those suffering from chronic health conditions that make them particularly susceptible to COVID. These communities tend to be poor and people often live communally with large extended families sharing homes and people moving in and out as they see the need. Finally there are only 5 public hospitals and at best 1500 police (usually less) it cover the entire Territory! Aircraft have to be used for the transfer of virtually all seriously ill patients.

Even with Federal assistance including additional nursing staff they simply don't have a capacity to run multiple quarantine facilitates or in lieu of that provide on site health care in regional areas. So in this case they used the one center they do have to try and prevent three teenagers who were potentially exposed to COVID from traveling to a community that didn't have it yet. And as I understand all three have tested negative and will be sent on their way soon, if they haven't been already.

OK then, how terrible does the decision to detain the kids seem now? Given what happens if the virus is allowed to take hold in a large number of settlements. Given your almost certainly just one phone call and a quick car trip away from all the medical assistance you could possibly hope for what would you do if you were running the Territory's health programs?

 

'Right' an entitlement to something, can be legal, social or ethical. Now this you driving without a license business?

 

USA stats to date:

50 million infections
808,000 deaths

Three times worse than Africa, three times worse than Russia
America is becoming a third world country.

 

Nah... third worlders don't all have iPhones, flat screen TV's, car(s) in the driveway, etc.

 

There is always a good reason to do the wrong thing.

 

Spot on. A detention camp by any other name.... A jail is a jail is a jail...

 

There's 800,000 people who don't need those mod cons,
maybe they could send them to the nations who have come
through the pandemic in a modern, non-politicized manner.
Also I don't have the stats on people disabled by the disease.

 

And there are always situations in life where all the choices you have are bad ones. The trick being to choose that which is 'least bad'. You really think surgeons 'high five' themselves about what a good job they've done after having been forced by medical necessity to amputate a toddlers limbs?

That aside you still haven't said what you'd do given the '**** sandwich' the NT authorities have been handed by COVID. You've only got two choices remember. One of which involves issuing what amounts to multiple death sentences in some of the poorest and most disadvantages communities in the country. Just remember of course that when you make the decision emergency assistance is only a few minutes away (for you), so you'll be fine.

 

Uhmmm... forgive me, I'm only fluent in English... what is a "mod con"?
Send your iPhone to lower Slobovia if you wish, I'll keep mine... I only have one.
People here don't obsess about the China Virus. We have fun... go out and do things... gees...

 

Unless its a quarantine facility because .... oh why am I bothering. Your porch light is on but nobodies home.

 

Silly people think government can stop a respiratory virus.

 

Still not answering the question. But in response 'silly' people think respiratory viruses can't be managed and have their spread minimized via the uses of effective control measures including making, maintaining local distance, vaccination and if practicable quarantine measures where appropriate.

Or to put it another way. Road rules don't stop people being killed and injured in traffic accidents. So using your logic why bother having any! Safe driving.

 

So you admit these measures are useless. That’s a start.

 

You take people against their will, violate their rights by putting them in a box, dictate how and when they can do laundry. Dictate if they can leave their box. Hunt down those that escape. What it is is a concentration camp.

People like you are what makes this possible.

 

STILL not answering the original question! And really? Please point to anywhere in my statement where the world 'useless' or a synonym of that word was used. I"ll wait.

 

Is 'mod con' an Aussie term? Wow. It's abbreviation for
'modern convenience'
No need to fear the Covid jab - that's a modern convenience
too. I am in our fire fighting team. We were approached a few
weeks back with an appeal to help in a paramedic role for the
hospital and ambulance service. Two deaths in Sth Australia
to this point, but last week the borders opened. We have about
45% vaccination rate in our area. At the Texas rate of one death
for every 375 Covid cases we expect we are soon going to be
overwhelmed with cases - not really by the virus, but by stupidity
or fear of needles. The math suggests we will have at minimum
half a dozen deaths in our tiny town, and hundreds of cases
flooding the hospital. Actually at present our hospital won't allow
any non-vax to enter - but sadly that will change.

 

As memory serves there were only somewhere around 300,000 US casualties during WW2. Your now up around 780,00 deaths due to COVID. Happy to to let a judge decide which crime is worse, 2 weeks in quarantine or that any day.

Oh, and laundry??? What does how or when people choose to wash their y-fronts got to do with anything.

 

Wrong, only about 6% are attributed to Covid only. The rest died WITH Covid. Happens all the time now. Someone comes into the VA for some ailment and if they test positive for Covid they are put in a Covid ward. Many of these people are dying for other reasons.

 

That's usually the case (there are still multiple thousands for whom COVID is the last straw mind you). But COVID is what pushes their systems past its limits. The fact there are so many elderly or chronically ill Americans for who COVID is a potential death sentence that's the problem. If the US was a nation of healthy people mostly under 30, no problem the virus would be a footnote in history at best. But of course it's not of course.

Part of the reason hospitals and aged care homes are so anal about the flu and other contagious diseases s the fact that viral infections of any type are much more dangerous for the elderly, chronically ill or those with compromised immune systems. The fact someone they 'was going to die soon anyway' doesn't absolve COVID from the role it's played in majority of those deaths. Same as it wouldn't absolve me if I walked into a hospital ward and shot someone with end stage terminal cancer.

 

So not a clue.

Read up on John Locke. If you can't understand philosophy, this conversation isn't appropriate for you.

Coming to this country is a privilege. If you doubt that ask everybody that has been deported.

 

Yeah, I suspect we are dealing with individuals that stock-pile weapons to counter imaginary government round-up.

 

Coherent and sound arguments, Monash! Judging by the fact that I can't see any of your replies you're dealing with individuals absolutely not worth your time.

(Just an FYI before you invest too much labour i.e. actual reasoning and logic).