Bakers refused to make pro-Trump birthday cake for 9-year-old boy: Report

Right.

And if he or she decides that what they're providing is support of a decision that they do not support, you should get your mind out of despot mode and stop demanding compliance with something you like.

 

I hope they get death threats and close down like the bakery that refused to bake a cake for the homos.

 

We've been through this. Designing/baking/decorating a cake is an art form. Each one is unique, and it is intellectual tomfoolery to obtusely claim otherwise.

Only loony liberals can claim that burning a flag is free speech, but how and for whom to bake a cake isn't.

 

I had to save that one and will use it as often as I can. Now I need to know all the libs bdays lmao.

 

Don't know too much about reality eh?

This isn't a court of law. I know its hard to grasp but this isn't a trial. I have precedence, no denials from any bakery, and no evidence he is lying.

What do you have besides hate and partisanship?

 

So much confusion. If the baker has a picture of a nazi alien cake in his catalog of offerings, then yes, he has to make it if someone actually wants it. If the baker offers no such cake, he is not obligated to bake it. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

And you really should understand that not everyone agrees with your perception about what a wedding represents.

That's kind of the point here.

 

Well said.

 

Two problems with this.

One - if such a request was made, it would not be a requirement that the baker do that. You cannot compel someone to create speech for you in the US. SCOTUS backs this up. Frosting put onto a cake formed as words is speech.

Two - you don't know any gay people, do you? They aren't going to ask for "gay marriage is right!" on their wedding cakes.

 

All it sounds like is that you wish to enjoy your free associations, but want to deprive others of theirs - and you hide behind a Constitutionally baseless claim that there is a difference in such things whether in business or private life.

 

Your arguments are both specious and sophomoric. Speech has already been defined in scope beyond the written word. In fact, it's why the term "free expression" is often used.

 

Wedding ceremony is religious in nature, usually.
Wedding reception? Not so much.

Regardless, a cake is not speech. A cake with writing is speech. That's the difference between the two bakers being discussed.

 

Really.

So tell me.

Did the Christian baker who was ruined for declining to bake a cake for a gay wedding have the requested cake in a portfolio?

 

I'm not demanding anything. I actually imagine a world of completely free association. I want the bigots and the haters to post their list of people they won't serve on their front door. I'm in favor.

I'm discussing what is, not what I was it was. Again, a cake is not speech. A cake that someone picks from a catalog is not speech. It's a SKU.

 

I'm not, leftist hypocrisy has no boundaries! They think being cruel to a child of a parents with an opposing views is different than being a hater They justify their sickness by shielding it with sick excuses like party affiliation instead of realizing the real truth, they just like to hate!

 

A cake is an object, and can be a work of art. The effort put into creating it is a form of art. It's stupid to attempt to claim otherwise.

Should a christian architect be forced to design a mosque?

 

Again, your opinion does not reflect everyone's. That's the point.

You keep believing your opinion should circumvent everyone else's belief in weddings and receptions and its simply not the case.

 

No, it isn't.

I will wager you anything that you wish to bet that more than half of all cake bakers who actually have portfolios of their work do full custom work, and - in fact - much of what appears in their portfolios are pictures of work which was unique and requested by clients.

You're obfuscating to avoid facing the real issue here.

 

Sigh.

Does this Christian architect have potential clients pick their structures from a catalog? No? Then he is not required to build what he doesn't want to build.

Stop by a bakery who does wedding cakes sometime. You'll see a 3-ring binder, or something similar, with pictures of wedding cakes that they offer. If it isn't in that book, they don't have to make it. They CAN, but they are not obligated to do any customization.

 

Your argument is specious and sophomoric. There is no Constitutional justification for your decision to hinge your position on 'a catalog'. It's stupid. You have no right to prevent an individual's decisions to change on a whim.

 

Unfortunately for you, the prior case of the Christian baker does not bear out your rather puerile position. Where was your equivocation on this topic when it was a Christian baker in the crosshairs of social justice warriors?

 

Why would a 9-year old want a Trump cake?

Sounds like parents are poisoning their child's mind and order a Trump cake using their son's name.

 

Look, we know how big a liar Trump is so this poor kid is probably imitating the president. What a shame these kids born into right leaning families are getting their marching orders from such a morally base, selfish, cowardly, insecure, role model.

 

Sigh. I'm actually on the baker's side. I'm also on the side of the racist sandwich guy who doesn't want black people in his restaurant. He should be allowed to refuse service to anyone.

The law, as is, says if you are open to the public and offer something for sale, you have to sell it to everyone. If you don't offer it, you aren't compelled to sell it. You also aren't required to customize it if you don't want to.

You can't go to a hamburger shop and demand an ice cream sundae, but you can demand that hamburger. You can't demand they write GO KKK in mustard, either.

 

Wait.

What if the picture on the menu show a sammich, and the black guy wants a sammich they make every day?

Your argument just went up in a mushroom cloud.

You're totally contradicting yourself.