[video=youtube_share;VwKKi7ApP4I]http://youtu.be/VwKKi7ApP4I[/video] An excellent video debunking the stupidity of the "ban bossy" campaign. Why is every word made to be an issue to feminists...?
Another thing I noticed when watching the original #banbossy video campaign is that while they stated that girls are less likely to become leaders due to a fear of being called 'bossy' they did not in fact share any kind of statistical data to support that statement. They just said it as if it was fact without giving any real supporting facts behind it.
I think it's purely anecdotally based. I watched the video of Sheryl Sandberg talking about being called bossy as a child and clearly being called bossy never stopped her from reaching her goals in life. She also asked the interviewer if she'd ever been called bossy as a child and she was like, "Oh yes I was!" and it's like...did this whole campaign seriously start because of this stupid conversation about these anecdotal recollections of being called bossy as a child? For real? But what kid who wasn't annoying and literally 'bossed' people around wasn't called bossy in their childhood? Girls and boys? I remember calling my little brothers bossy whenever they tried to tell me what to do and they'd say the same back whenever I tried to tell them what to do ("Quit being so bossy! You're not the boss of me!") etc. Perhaps we shouldn't encourage people to try and 'boss' others around anyways. I sincerely dislike the idea of being told what to do by others. This to me is like supporting the idea of authoritarianism. Especially when Beyonce there at the end is like, "I'm not bossy. I'm the boss," and I'm like, not of me you're not. LOL! If the idea is to encourage girls and women to pursue their dreams of fulfilling leadership roles then I think they can find a better way of going about it than nitpicking over a single word. I think going about it in this way is clearly leaving the real message behind what they're doing completely lost upon those who are listening. They should definitely try another method.
As far as I've seen feminism is based on nothing but anecdotes and appeals to emotion. I've never read a feminist study that wasn't flawed which is probably why feminists rarely provide any proof from peer reviewed scientific journals to support their claims. Take for instance the 1 in 4 women have been raped statistic from the study by Mary P. Koss. Nearly 3/4's of the women Koss counted as rape victims said in a follow up study they had not been raped. Never -the-less it was brought to my attention by Gwendoline that Koss has gone on to win prestigious awards. I mean Koss's career was not destroyed by a scientific paper she authored that was guilty of using bogus science. In fact, she's flourished since releasing that paper, and the 1 in 4 statistic is still cited often. I've seen it cited on this site in fact. Such is the state of the world that feminism is so politically correct one of it's studies can't even be challenged that used bogus science to reach it's conclusions, that is unless one wants to be accused of being a rape apologist misogynist.
I was against this campaign until my girlfriend made me watch a femdom hypno video...now I just want to say that yes, we should ban the word bossy, also ban any males from positions of power, and support mapsu.org (Mothers Against Peeing Standing Up)...why did I let her talk my into watching the youtube hypnosis video??!
I think there are multiple problems with the issue of rape in our society, number one being that the government and other US law enforcement don't seem to recognize rape as anything other than; The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Which leaves out other situations such as: anal, oral and statutory rape; incest; rape with an object, finger or fist; and of course rape of men. So as far as poor statistics and fact finding goes our own government perpetuates the problem by leaving out plenty of other important factors that most sane people would view as forms of rape. Another problem is rape is extremely hard to prove. My friend was sexually assaulted by the father of a friend she was living with multiple times about 6-7 months ago. She started suffering severely from PTSD and refused to talk to anyone about what had happened to her until finally she broke down to another friend and they helped her escape from that house. She has not seen justice yet as the man who raped her claimed it was consensual and his entire family, including her friend and even her friend's mother turned their backs on her to instead support him. (Kinda sick right? Your husband sleeps with a girl 25 years his younger and she sticks with him even after he said it was consensual? wtf?) So yeah. Not to mention men who have been raped probably have an even harder time coming out and talking about their rapes for fear of being labeled as weak (if they were raped by a woman) or gay (if they were raped by a man). Then another problem that makes it hard for people to take real rape cases seriously are the people who lie about it for multiple reasons; revenge; free abortion; covering up truancy, pregnancy, infidelity, lost money, sexual precocity. This makes it harder for people who actually have been sexually assaulted to be taken seriously. And you have to think knowing all these factors, knowing how the justice system will treat you depending on your situation, your gender or your past you might just be less likely to come forward with it at all. Considering all of these factors I would say rape statistics are probably way off and we have nothing truly accurate to go by.
Of course women are fully capable of knowing they were raped (unless perhaps they were drugged beforehand). Not sure how this is relevant to what I just posted though.
perhaps it was that it had the appearance of a longwinded apology for rapists, a much maligned sector of society, often falsely accused, denigrated and lied about.
I hope you don't mean my post about the issue of rape in our society Colonel. Considering my own mother was raped as a child and I know four other women who have suffered rape, that would be the last thing I would ever do, apologize for rapists. o__o
Did you miss the part where I mentioned women who lie about being raped for various reasons? Because it does happen. And when they do lie it makes it much more difficult for women and men who actually have been raped to be taken seriously. It is also another reason why I imagine statistics on the subject are not very accurate. With so many women who lie about rape and with so many women and men also refusing to report their rapes we cannot have an accurate picture. Anyways, I digress. I fear we may have trudged way off topic for Wolverine's liking as the OP is about the totally absurd (in my opinion) #banbossy campaign.
However, in Koss's case she is a research scientist who's a feminist who's lied about manymany women being raped and her research is still cited today by the media, politicians, and feminists.
Well I don't know what to do about that. There is very little that I can do to change any damage she has done with rape statistics. The best we can do is strongly discourage women from lying about rape, either by prosecuting them more harshly for filing false charges and encouraging more people who have actually suffered from sexual assault, both men and women, to come forward with what happened to them.
I think that far more women just keep quiet and "lie" with their silence than those who set forth to actively claim being raped when it didnt really happen. One would have to be of dim inteli gence and little foresight not to understand that making a false police report can have grim consequences.
A quick look for something concerning Ms Koss turned this up.. It sounds reasonable, I am curious what "lies" she supposedly tells. A lot of studies, esp in the "soft sciences" can be found to fall short of being the final word on Truth, but as a rule the authors of such studies are not branded "liars" or frauds for their work. Of the rape studies by nongovernment groups, the two most frequently cited are the 1985 Ms. magazine report by Mary Koss and the 1992 National Women's Study by Dr. Dean Kilpatrick of the Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center at the Medical School of South Carolina. In 1982, Mary Koss, then a professor of psychology at Kent State University in Ohio, published an article on rape in which she expressed the orthodox gender feminist view that "rape represents an extreme behavior but one that is on a continuum with normal male behavior within the culture" (my emphasis).[6] Some well-placed feminist activists were impressed by her. As Koss tells it, she received a phone call out of the blue inviting her to lunch with Gloria Steinem.[7] For Koss, the lunch was a turning point. Ms. magazine had decided to do a national rape survey on college campuses, and Koss was chosen to direct it. Koss's findings would become the most frequently cited research on women's victimization, not so much by established scholars in the field of rape research as by journalists, politicians, and activists. Koss and her associates interviewed slightly more than three thousand college women, randomly selected nationwide.[8] The young women were asked ten questions about sexual violation. These were followed by several questions about the precise nature of the violation. Had they been drinking? What were their emotions during and after the event? What forms of resistance did they use? How would they label the event? Koss counted anyone who answered affirmatively to any of the last three questions as having been raped: 8. Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs? 9. Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man threatened or used some degree of physical force (twisting your arm, holding you down, etc.) to make you? 10. Have you had sexual acts (anal or oral intercourse or penetration by objects other than the penis) when you didn't want to because a man threatened or used some degree of physical force (twisting your arm, holding you down, etc.) to make you? Koss and her colleagues concluded that 15.4 percent of respondents had been raped, and that 12.1 percent had been victims of attempted rape.[9] Thus, a total of 27.5 percent of the respondents were determined to have been victims of rape or attempted rape because they gave answers that fit Koss's criteria for rape (penetration by penis, finger, or other object under coercive influence such as physical force, alcohol, or threats). However, that is not how the so-called rape victims saw it. Only about a quarter of the women Koss calls rape victims labeled what happened to them as rape. According to Koss, the answers to the follow-up questions revealed that "only 27 percent" of the women she counted as having been raped labeled themselves as rape victims.[10] Of the remainder, 49 percent said it was "miscommunication," 14 percent said it was a "crime but not rape," and 11 percent said they "don't feel victimized."[11] In line with her view of rape as existing on a continuum of male sexual aggression, Koss also asked: "Have you given in to sex play (fondling, kissing, or petting, but not intercourse) when you didn't want to because you were overwhelmed by a man's continual arguments and pressure?" To this question, 53.7 percent responded affirmatively, and they were counted as having been sexually victimized. The Koss study, released in 1988, became known as the Ms. Report. Here is how the Ms. Foundation characterizes the results: "The Ms. project-the largest scientific investigation ever undertaken on the subject-revealed some disquieting statistics, including this astonishing fact: one in four female respondents had an experience that met the legal definition of rape or attempted rape[/I]
I posted this elsewhere about Mary Koss: I came by the human face of Mary Koss and found an interesting, quite extraordinary woman. In this video she discusses 'restorative justice' which is a far cry from the bizarre depictions of her by anti-feminists. She advocates the perpetrator and victim meet and the rape is talked through and the victim gets to tell the rapist what he did to her and the effects on her. Nowhere in this video does Mary Koss display anything other than respect and compassion for the human condition. It goes to show the obsession anti-feminists have with discrediting and bashing prominent academics - in this case a feminist academic. And trying to ferment a particularly grubby form of 'hatred'. Mary Koss is head and shoulders above the fray that try to discredit her. I was particularly inspired to see her video. [video=youtube;JHkBk3Ot1Uo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHkBk3Ot1Uo[/video]
Victimhood is big business. And the more you can divide people up into arbitrary groups, the more you can market specific victimhood angles to them. Hence this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) right here. Feminism isn't about helping women. It's about making them feel small, powerless, and preyed upon. Meanwhile, when women who don't buy into this crap speak up and sincerely try to empower them (i.e. Dana Loesch), they get shouted down by these very same feminists for daring to poke a hole in the "the world is so mean to women" narrative.
That's exactly what I've been saying. Both my mother and my aunt never told anyone about what happened to them because back then typically the woman was blamed for whatever she was wearing or for being where she shouldn't have instead of blaming the evil men who raped them. We have made a lot of progress since then, but there is still plenty of stigma surrounding the victim and people are quick to ask her what she did to deserve being raped.
Exactly. Women should start empowering themselves and standing up for themselves and each other when they get called nasty names and slurs. They certainly shouldn't let any kind of bullying stop them from trying to achieve their goals in life. I like the message they are trying to send, this whole empower girls to become great leaders too, but I thoroughly dislike the way they are going about it.
Cant really agree here, my idea of feminism is anything but feeling small and helpless. Yes, I have been preyed on, Its why I bought a revolver. Nobody is going to stop me achieving my goals in life.
And good for you for standing up for yourself taikoo. You are not a victim anymore but someone who has taken control of her life. I have watched several of my friends who were once victims overcome that feeling of being helpless and pulled themselves back together despite all the horrible things that have happened to them and become owners of their lives. It is an extremely admirable thing, to go from being the victim of a cruel and horrible experience put upon you by someone else and then finding your way back to owning your life, to being yourself again, maybe not the same person anymore, but stronger for it.
