Barack HUSSEIN Obama is finished

Good- now why did you make the claim in the first place? You made the claim while trying to paint Obama as acting differently from other candidates- where in fact he was acting exactly like every other candidate. So what prompted you to claim that Hilary and McCain had acted differently than Obama?

Seriously- how can you claim with a straight face to know that? For instance. This is just speculation on your part. And since no candidate has voluntarily released any college records while running, the facts show otherwise. Kerry for instance released his- AFTER the election was over.

No- the truth about the rest is not 'hidden' from us. There never was a ban on travel to Pakistan. That was a pure lie. The truth is clearly established. Travel wasn't 'discouraged'- these were Birther lies, posted on Birther websites and disproven by travel articles and the State Departments own advisory.

I posted 1981 articles from the Travel section of the New York Times, and in 1981 the NY Times had never heard of Obama. I also posted a travel advisory from the State Department. These are two credible sources that refute your claim that there was a 'ban' or that travel was 'discouraged'- the claim was a lie started by Mario Apuzzo and lives on in Birther lore, and you continue that tradition.

Prove me wrong- find me one actual source that supports either claim- not a Birther blog that doesn't make that claim but one that supports either of your claims.

Why not post actual facts from credible sources? Like the New York Times in 1981 and the State Department? Why not actually research it before you post things as 'facts'?

I am not passionate about Obama. I disagree with him on several issues but I will not deny that I intend to vote for him. But I am passionate about refuting Birther BS, and everything you bring up either is, or was part of the Birther propaganda smear. I do not post a link to Obamaconspiracy.com and claim that is a fact- I clearly labeled it as a well presented argument- but I do refer to source articles such as a travel article from the 1981 New York Times.

If you really want to motivate people to think you would be more careful to vet the claims you make there. As it is, you dump a pile of claims and I just pick the most obvious (and long proven) lie out and show it for what it is.

By pointing out the falsehoods you post, I am pointing out that the rest of what you post should not be considered accurate either.

Other than my snide remarks about your MBA, I can't think of any insults I have posted. I am just pointing out your lack of credibility, and your refusal to take responsibility for your own posts.

 

What do Obama's passport records have to do with your claim that travel to Pakistan was banned or discouraged? I presented you with 2 articles from New York Times travel section from 1981 AND a State Department advisory- all from their own websites.

Why would the New York Times print an article recommending readers go to Lahore if Americans were banned from going there? The fact is you posted a lie- you can't find any evidence to support your claim and you are reduced to claiming that the New Times and the State Department aren't credible- well what credible evidence did you use to make your claim?

I have never seen Mitt's passport, never saw Bush's before his- and didn't need them. I know more about Obama's history than I do about Mitt's or any previous President. What I ask for is that Obama be treated exactly the same as you treat Romney or you treated McCain.

You are demanding Obama's college records and not Romney's. How is that vetting everyone equally? You demand that Obama be vetted differently than every other candidate.

When you claimed that travel to Pakistan was banned- were you asking a question or making an assumption? How did you happen to be inspired to make that claim- a claim that has been proven for years to be a lie?

 

My daughter wants a pony. Neither matter to the voters.

 

would it matter to you if obama put "indonesian" in the nationality block of his columbia application? would it matter to you if he got scholarships that were to go to foreign students? would it matter to you if he committed fraud by claiming to be foreign in order to get scholarships?

I am not saying he did any of those things, but why aren't we entitled to know? Why is he entitled to just block out a large portion of his past? and finally, why don't you care?

and to make you happy, I would like to see Romney's college records too. I would like to know if he paid his tuition, his dad paid it, or he got scholarships. A guy that rich should not be getitng scholarships. Now, lets have full disclosure from both candidates--------OK?

 

You avoided my question. Why IS that?

Here's another one. Why would you think that either candidate would disclose information that no other candidate has ever disclosed before simply because you would like to know?

 

again, you were caught in 4 lies you refuse to admit to.

he was vetted in the exact manner as every other president or candidate.

no you don't. you want special conditions for obama. that's why you aren't asking to see anyone elses college transcripts.
asking questions and making assumptions is not lying. you guys on the left need to grow up

 

it is as likely as mitt putting martian on his application to harvard.

it is as likely as mitt getting foreign student scholarships.

it is as likely as mitt claiming to be a foreign student.

why aren't you asking these questions about romney?

tradition. you've never seen or cared about any of the above for any previous president or candidate. what's different about obama? hmmmm

lol, only after having been exposed as both a liar and a hypocrit.

and your chances of seeing these things from either candidate is zero

 

Only in the same way that it would matter to me if Romney is a secret Nazi or a wife beater.

We don't require or even expect candidates jump everytime someone blows a dog whistle and demand that they prove they didn't do this or that. There is not a single piece of evidence to suggest that Obama or any candidate has commited fraud to get into college.

Why do you demand that Obama be treated differently than Romney and every other candidate?

I am not saying that Romney isn't a secret Nazi or that he does beat his wife- but aren't we entitled to know? How ridiculous.

I don't care for two reasons:
a) there is not a single piece of evidence Obama did any of the things you are so concerned about and
b) I have yet to see any Birther provide any rational reason why he would do any of these things.

So lets explore this second part more- shall we? It is part of the overal propaganda smear- speculate that Obama did something 'bad' that you can't prove- and demand Obama prove that your smear is incorrect.

"indonesian' on his Columbia application. Why would he do that? What is the benefit he would gain, that he would risk losing his entire degree for later on? Please explain to me- were you tempted to put "Indonesian" on your application?

"Scholarships for foreign students"- what scholarships for foreign students? Seriously what scholarships?

If you want to demand full disclosure of every part of a candidates private life- go for it- at least that won't appear as hypocritical as when you demanded it only of Obama. Hmmm- so in 2008 were you out there demanding McCain show his college records too? Oh we know he didn't need a scholarship for Anapolis but.....where did he put down as his place of birth? Oh right....wasn't a concern then....

Me? I think anyone who feels a need to see what Obama or Romney did in college, in order to decide whether or not to vote for him, is an idiot. I don't need to see Obama's college records or Romney's college records- nor any of the laundry list of Birther smears that Birthers demand of Obama and don't for Romney or anyone else.

 

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Obama's past is questionable because it is hidden and his statements in his books and other places are inconsistent. I have told you that its not his grades that are at issue. I don't care if he got A's or D's. I want to know if he committed fraud on his applications. Some of his classmates at Columbia have raised those questions based on their experiences with him at that time. Foreign students are offered scholarships that require lower GPA's and provide more funding than those offered to US students. So that is why he, or someone else, might lie about their nationality on an application.

As to treating obama differently, Bush was accused of being AWOL. McCain was accused of having an affair with a staffer, Cain, another black candidate, was slandered about alleged affairs 20 years ago, Bob Livingston was run out of the senate because of something he was accused of doing 20 years earlier. Rangle was censured for alleged financial wrong doing. Rostenkowski want to jail, Condit was kicked out for fooling around with staffers. Obama is not receiving any more scrutiny than anyone else. You seem to think that because he is the first black president that he should not be vetted and we should just look the other way about his questionable past and associations with radicals. Sorry, not happnin!

The Pakistan trip is also a valid question. Your NY times article does nothing but provide cover and not address the real questions.

But, having said that, this is an academic discussion since Romney destroyed him in the debate last night.

 

only in the minds of birthers

 

Clearly you are uncomfortable with actually backing up anything that you claim.

Again just false. Obama's past is no more 'hidden' than any other candidate's- and you have yet to provide anything to show otherwise. Your claim about college records is a clear demonstration of that- Obama has revealed exactly as much as Romney and every President has.

And again- those are baseless speculations and innuendo's. His 'classmate' was one man- who coincidentally ran as a Vice Presidential ticket in 2008 opposed to Obama's ticket and lost- who says he attended Columbia at the same time Obama did- and says he never met him. Based upon that he speculated all sorts of things. However those who actually knew Obama at Columbia oddly enough have no such issues.

I will point out once again you have never shown any concern about any other candidates college records- and you seem gullible enough to believe any Birther claim there is. Face it- you are opposed to Obama and just are using this as an avenue to smear him.

Really? Says who? I knew plenty of foreign students when I was in school and none of them got any such 'special scholarships'. Prove it. Show me these special scholarships. The foreign students i knew all struggled financially- more so than Americans. It was harder for them to get aid- and they couldn't work in most jobs- those who did work worked on campus.

This is another Birther claim that doesn't pass the smell test- because none of you have been able to actually show an advantage for applying as a foreign student. Not one of you.

 

What 'valid question'? Your claim that travel to Pakistan was banned was an outright lie. Your claim that travel was discouraged was also a lie. I am not saying that you lied- you may have just been gullible and passing on lies that were exposed years ago.

The question is- why did Birthers make up these lies in the first place?

 

"Obama is not receiving any more scrutiny than anyone else."

That part is true. The question I keep asking is why you demand Obama be treated differently than every other Presidential candidate? That is a lovely list of scandals and innuendo- but that has nothing to do with why you are demanding that the first black president be vetted differently than every other President.

Your assertions about Obama's 'questionable past' might be just a little more credible if I hadn't shown over and over that your claims are not only 'questionable' they are likely to be flat out falsehoods.

 

Because we do not know who the guy really is, what he really believes, and what his real goals are for this country. The videos that have come out recently show him to be an aggressive racist marxist. Do you think he would have won in 08 if those videos had come out before that election? Those videos are just part of his hidden past, the past that he lied about, the radical racist pastor that he lied about.

How would his southern black dialect from those videos have played with you california liberals?

The guy is a fraud and you refuse to even look at who he is. Amazing brainwashing.

 

whenever rightwing yahoos toss the word "marxist" around, I always start to laugh. For them, it is merely an epithet that has become stripped of its actual meaning. It's like the "C" word or the "N" word...

Cajun... we get it that you don't like the president. we get it that you don't like anything about him or his policies and that you would never vote for him in a month of Sundays.

You need to understand that there are people who feel differently than you do about the president, and about the platform of his party, and about the whole broad spectrum of social and economic and diplomatic issues that separate your party from ours.

You aren't going to change us and we are not going to change you... but, if you keep blathering stupid stuff about college records and passports and trips to Pakistan, we ARE going to take a moment - cuz that is all it takes - to highlight for the rest of the board what a total moron you really are.

Get it?

 

oh...and just so you know, Tucker Carlson played that Obama video on his TV show back in 2007 right after it was recorded.... so YES... I do think he would have won if they video had come out before the election... because it did and he did.

 

well you are right about a couple of things. I do think that obama is the worst president in our history and is a danger to the survival of the USA as a free democratic republic. If you want to live in a socialist dictatorship, fine, you have to right to want that.

Karl Marx said: "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"

Obama said: " I want to redistribute the wealth" "you didn't build that"

Seems to me like the two guys beliefs are very similar.

I will continue to demand the truth about obama's past as long as I am free to question it. His columbia applications are suspect as is his trip to Pakistan. If you choose to ignore these things and just continue the idol worship, fine, again thats your right.

His racist rants in the recently released videos tend to give credence to my issues with him. And once again. I will not be silent as long as the man is not fully vetted.

Your insults and those from sanfran jeff, roll off like water off a duck's back.

Now, please tell me what he has done that makes you so eager to give him 4 more years.

 

Tucker played small excerpts from it, he went over that a couple of days ago. the entire video was never seen until this week.

Did the MSM ever cover the fact that the obama campaign offered Rev Wright 100K to keep quiet?

 

This son, this is a fact. Unfortunely, my conclusion is that Romney will not be elected as the next leader of the presidential plot.

 

whoever said I was EAGER to do anything? I happen to believe in the precepts of the democratic party platform. I happen to care about the make up of the Supreme Court and who sits on federal benches throughout our nation. I support gay marriage and I support a woman's right to chose.... Mitt Romney would propose legislation that would run counter to the platform of the democratic party, he would appoint justices and judges with whom I disagree. He would not advance those social issues that I consider worthwhile. Therefore, I will not vote for him. I will vote for the president.

I am disappointed in Obama's inability to get more done, but I am a realist and understand that the lion's share of blame goes to the republicans in congress who were willing to let the country fail if they could use that failure to limit Obama to one term.

I hope that my absentee ballot will help reelect him, however, I will be sending my ballot back to a dark blue state so it probably won't matter in the grand scheme of things.

 

Why on earth would I care about a 'southern black dialect'- whatever that means?

Yet- you are the one who has been caught continuously posting falsehoods here.

What does that make you?

 

its refreshing to hear from a liberal who admits who and what he is. you want gay marriage and unrestricted abortion on demand. Ok, you probably also want free contraception and free college tuition, right?

I have a couple of questions: on gay marriage, how about two men one woman, two women one man, three women, self marriage, man/animal marriage, one man six women? once you give the Ok to two men or two women, the other options will follow. How do you infringe on the rights of polygamists?

On abortion: how about partial birth abortion, or murdering a child that survives an abortion? Obama is for both, are you?

We have two new SCOTUS justices that are liberal lesbians. the next president will probably appoint 2 or 3 more justices. Is a majority left court in the best interests of the country, or should there be a balance?

and finally, your social issues will all become moot if the economy collapses, your gay married couples will both be out of work and the govt will be out of money to give them welfare.

making social issues your priority seems kind of short sighted.

 

Nicely put.

 

Posing questions is not posting falsehoods. posting sensitive assumptions is not posting falsehoods. posting something you believe may be true is not lying.

Obama changed his cadence and manner of speaking when speaking to a black audience, Hillary and Gore also did it. Don't you consider that pandering? Shouldn't those black audiences be insulted?

 

QUOTE=ragin cajun;1061791676]I will continue to demand the truth about obama's past as long as I am free to question it. His columbia applications are suspect as is his trip to Pakistan. If you choose to ignore these things and just continue the idol worship, fine, again thats your right..[/QUOTE]

It is one thing to demand the 'truth'- it is another thing to post lies(travel to Pakistan being banned) and speculation that is intended to smear(college applications). You clearly aren't interested in the 'truth'- you are looking for dirt on Obama. You have repeatedly been shown to be posting outright lies to further your agenda. Nobody can take your whining about the 'truth' creduously when you are so cavalier about the truth yourself.



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Now that is a legitimate question.

Like all Birthers- you start from a position of opposing the President politically and then build on speculation, innuendo and lies to smear his past.

Lay out why you oppose the President's policies- that is rational and legitimate.

Spreading lies and innuendo about his supposed 'hidden' past is just at the best looney and at the worst blatant political propaganda.