Bedouin Israelis Receive 'Award for Zionism' for IDF Activism

Yes I did.

 

The 5.6 percent approval rating on permits between 2000-2012 is not from Bimkom; it's from Israeli data. Bimkom which is an Israeli nonprofit organization(Bimkom's source of funding doesn't change the fact that it's an Israeli organization and source of data is Israeli) accessed newer data which showed not a single permit was granted in 2014. As mentioned before this is nothing new and is an acknowledged fact that Palestinians in the West Bank and East Jerusalem don't have the same building rights as Israelis.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/palestinians-west-bank-demolition_55af1787e4b0a9b94852fa25
B'tselem sums it up below

"In contrast to the restrictive planning policy followed for Palestinian communities, Israeli settlements - all located within Area C - enjoy expansive allocations of land, detailed planning, hookup to advanced infrastructure and a blind eye regarding illegal construction.

After the occupation of the West Bank by Israel in 1967, the military issued an order that left the Palestinians out of the planning process, a process they had been a party to. The same order enables the activity of planning committees in the settlements. The settlers, unlike the Palestinians, enjoy full representation in planning processes. For the benefit of settlements, the Civil Administration changed the land designation in the Mandate-era plans: nearly all West Bank settlements were erected on tracts of land designated as agricultural in the Mandatory plans. Nonetheless, over the years, the Civil Administration planning authorities approved hundreds of new master plans that changed the zoning, thereby enabling the establishment of settlements. In most cases, construction in settlements was approved retroactively, or else by military order. The Civil Administration also approved the establishment of small settlements numbering only a few dozen or a few hundred settlers when founded, as well as approving settlements located just a few kilometers away from existing ones. In dozens of cases, the Civil Administration approved construction of Israeli settlements at archeological sites and on nature reserves inside the borders of the settlements. According to Civil Administration data, in about 75% of settlements, construction was carried out without appropriate permits.

Whereas, from 2002 through 2010, only 176 construction permits were issued to Palestinians, at least 15,000 residential units were built in settlements during that same period, with or without permits. In contrast to the partial and restrictive planning for Palestinian communities in Area C, for the settlements in that same area, detailed modern plans were drafted that featured public spaces, parks or commons, and in many instances low housing density. Unlike the plans designating and limiting the built-up areas of those few Palestinian villages for which plans were drafted at all, the jurisdictional boundaries of the Israeli settlements encompass huge tracts of land, including agricultural land for future development of the community subject to the approval of master plans.

According to Civil Administration data for 2000-2012, when taking population size into account, 3.5 times as many demolition orders were issued and demolitions carried out for Palestinian homes in Area C as were demolition orders issued and demolitions implemented in the case of settler homes.

In addition to the settlements sanctioned by the State of Israel and the Civil Administration, over a hundred settlement outposts were established in Area C with neither master plans nor state sanction. Nonetheless, the establishment of most of the outposts was carried out in coordination with various government and security agencies – including the Civil Administration – and with their support. The authorities turned a blind eye to the illegality of the settlement outposts, hooked them up to advanced infrastructures and, for the most part, did not take steps to demolish them."
http://m.btselem.org/planning_and_building/settlement_planning_policy

The draft memo has no legal standing since Abbas Olmert 2008 negotiations ended. This memo analyzes the issue of property and land left behind by Jews living in West Bank and Gaza before 1948. The memo lists three options. Also this right they describe only applies to Jews who were living in West Bank and Gaza at the time and lost property as result of 1948 war. This doesn't apply for example to Israelis who lived in mandatory Palestine that became the state of Israel. This doesn't apply to a Jew that immigrated from Russia during 1990's or from other countries. In many cases getting property or land back is not possible for example if its in a refugee camp, in that case they would get composition. The memo was also part of negotiations between Olmert and Abbas for a Palestinian state, in that content if the PA choose recognizing right of return for Jews as the policy option, it would be part of a deal for a Palestinian state, meaning Jews that fit right of return criteria would be returning to live as residents of a Palestinian state. Again the negotiations ended and no offer for Palestinian state was agreed upon, meaning the memo has no legal standing.

"It is only rainforce what I claim.
The JNF's lands in Judea and Samaria are velong to the JNF, hence they are the legal owner of those lands. Also that you showed here, that the article states that the ones who lived on the JNF's lands have the right of return. which means it is exactly what I say that the Memo stated. "
No it doesn't, you competently ignored what the memo said which is right of return applies only to individuals.

"And yet, Kiryat Arba has permits to exist according to Order 561 from 1971 and Order 892 from 1981. Which means, that according to that Orders that made Kiryat Araba a local council until 1981, Kiryat Arba is perfectly legal. "
That doesn't change what I wrote before; organizations and people mentioned below don't care whether they have permits or not; they view all settlements as illegal for violating the fourth geneva convention prohibiting occupying power to transfer its civilians to the occupied territory
"Kiryat Arba is a settlement; most of the world regard all settlements as illegal including all EU foreign ministers(including allies like Netherlands), UNSC, ICJ, international red cross, former legal adviser to Israeli foreign ministry ;Theodore Meron, etc. regard as illegal. "

"We talked about reasons of keeping the settlers in Hebron , which according to Tabu records, the lands where the Jewish community in Hebron is exist on, is a lands that Jews bought and that means that the Jews there have legal right to stay in this territory. Please stick to the progrem."
This only applies to individuals(not any that JNF purchased) that purchased land or had property in Hebron. None of the settlers in Hebron are originally from there; none of them are even directly related to anyone that lived in Hebron.

"BTW- I already wrote numerous of times about ilogical herrasments."
You said this in response to
"The settler's behavior in Hebron is among the most radical; they harass their Palestinian neighbors, openly venerate Baruch Goldstein, have a street named after Meir Kahane who called for all Arabs including Israeli citizens expelled from Israel,and their yeshiva is led by a rabbi who called Goldstein holier than victims of the holocaust and endorsed King's Torah."
"Also many descendants of Jews(btw no direct descendants of Jews that left Hebron after 1929 has moved back meaning none of them have a direct connection to the Jewish community that left Hebron after 1929 as one of the descendants put it "The settlers are a loaded bomb that can blow up peace altogether,'' said Yair Keidan, 46, whose father was born in Hebron. ``We're not talking about Zionists. We're talking about lunatics, radical fanatics.') that left Hebron after 1929 oppose the settlers in Hebron with 40 of their children and grandchild signing a petition that calls for the settlement in Hebron to be dismantled."
http://imeu.org/article/state-sanctioned-incitement-israels-extremist-rabbis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebron#Division_of_Hebron
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiryat_Arba
http://articles.philly.com/1997-03-03/news/25573179_1_settlers-arab-riots-hebron

Your response to chief rabbi of yeshiva for Hebron known for incitement like endorsing King's Torah(which calls for killing of non Jews including children) receives state money is that it's not the state view. I never said that was the state view I was simply noting him and other extremist rabbis of settlements like Yitzhar their yeshivas that they led receive state money. You also respond by not actually condemning or addressing the behavior by saying Jews have lived there before. That's like dismissing a Neo Nazi's behavior(settlers in Hebron like Dov Lior are pretty close to a Jewish version of Neo-Nazi) by saying there people(Germans) live there or a Stalinist in Russia or areas of former Soviet Union because there people have been before. Also as noted above right of return doesn't apply to corporations or organizations, it only applies to individuals. None of the settlers in Hebron were born there or even direct descendants of people born there.


"As I already said, Bibi was the responsible on creating Wye and Hebron Agreements, and he was the one that started to fulfill those agreements, so yes, he support a withdrawal from terriroties in the West Bank- in contradiction with what you claim."
The Wye and Hebron agreements were only military withdrawals not any withdrawals from settlements or promises to withdraw. As mentioned before Bibi, admitted before that he stopped the Oslo Accords and wanted to drag it out through definition of military zones to prevent any withdrawals from settlements.

"You are repeating yourself. I already replied to this part of you comments numerous of times. please re-read them."

You haven't refuted it. Your only refute was he later did the disengagement. This doesn't change what I wrote below
You also didn't give any evidence that Sharon at the time was moving towards center(during that time Sharon also voted against or abstained on Jordan-Israel peace treaty,Wye and Hebron).
"Sharon then minister in Bibi's gov( keep in mind this is before he moved toward center, before events like Geneva Accord, letters of refusal to serve in the territories by pilots and commandos, this is according to an interview by one of Sharon's advisers is some of the reasons he did disengagement) was known for stating
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them"
http://www.jmcc.org/Documentsandmaps.aspx?id=698


Nueih is being built mainly to force Bedouin who live in strategic areas like E-1, Jordan valley, to live in Nu'eimeh. B'tselem details the problems with it below

"The plans were made without consulting the residents, who were not notified of the scope of the plans, and were therefore unable to present their position and make their needs known. The plans ignore the residents’ agrarian way of life and will not allow them to continue shepherding as before. The new settlement will be surrounded from all sides, in part by firing zones, settlements and a military checkpoint, leaving the residents without grazing pastures for their livestock. In addition, the plans force different tribes and communities to live together, contrary to traditional practices.

Most Bedouins living in the West Bank arrived there after they left their homes in the Negev desert, in southern Israel, or were expelled from them, in 1948. Ever since Israel occupied the West Bank in 1967, they have been forced to relocate several times to allow for Israeli settlements, firing zones, new nature reserves declared, and more. Hundreds of demolition orders have been issued against their homes and entire communities have been repeatedly expelled.

Israeli authorities, and particularly the Civil Administration, which oversees these matters, have refrained from making master plans that meet these residents’ needs and allow them to continue living according to traditional practice. The authorities have never recognized any rights the residents may have to the land. As a result, Bedouin residents suffer from a very low standard of living: they are not connected to the power grid, only some are connected to the water grid, and their access to basic services such as health and education is extremely limited. Their main source of income is shepherding, but the Israeli authorities limit their access to grazing pastures and markets.

According to the Civil Administration, the plan’s objective is to improve the standard of living in these communities and to provide proper housing conditions. The spokesperson of the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) said, in response to an article published in Israeli daily Ha’aretz on the matter, that the purpose of the new settlement is to “allow the community to settle in an organized area with proper, suitable infrastructure”.

However, if the Civil Administration had the best interests of these communities in mind, it would have consulted with them in the planning stages and prepared plans that meet their needs and allow them to continue their way of life. Instead, the Administration is forcing upon them a plan that dictates an extreme change to their lifestyle, denies their sources of livelihood, and may destroy their communities.

The Civil Administration has previously forced Bedouin communities into permanent housing: during the 1990s, the Civil Administration built a settlement near the Abu Dis landfill and expelled members of the al-Jahalin tribe from their homes to live at the site in order to make way for the expansion of the Ma'ale Adumim settlement. That site was also planned without consulting the residents. In addition to the harsh impacts of living near a landfill, relocation to the new site destroyed the Bedouin way of life, harming the residents and community life. The land allocated to each family was not large enough to house livestock and the army restricted access to grazing pastures that had been promised. As a result, only 30% of the residents have continued to earn a living as shepherds

The current plan is part of concerted efforts made by various Israeli authorities, over decades, to expel thousands of Palestinians living in dozens of communities scattered throughout Area C from their homes. Israeli officials have repeatedly declared their intent to take over Area C in order to create circumstances that would facilitate its annexation to Israel in a permanent agreement, and to annex it de-facto until then.

The Civil Administration’s plan runs counter to the provisions of international humanitarian law, which prohibit the forcible transfer of protected persons, unless it is carried out for their own protection or for an imperative military need. Even when the transfer meets these criteria, it must be temporary. The current case clearly fails to fulfil these conditions. Moreover, as representatives of the occupying power, Israeli authorities have an obligation to work for the benefit and welfare of the residents of the occupied territory. The plan to expel these residents from their homes, as well as impose living conditions on some that would undermine their source of livelihood, is a breach of this duty. It is clearly meant to advance political objectives entirely unrelated to the obligations of an occupying power.

The Civil Administration must withdraw the plans for establishing Ramat Nu’eimeh immediately. It must allow Bedouin communities to pursue their way of life, plan their communities and build their homes lawfully. It must connect them to infrastructure and provide them with basic health and education services."
http://www.btselem.org/area_c/20140917_plans_to_transfer_bedouins_to_ramat_nueimeh

Israel's record of treatment of Bedouin is not good especially in the Negev where townships(between 1968-1989 seven townships were built for the Negev Bedouin half of Negev Bedouin live in them, the other half live in 39-45 unrecognized villages where they aren't connected to basic services like sewage or water and 11 recognized villages that were recognized after 2003 and since then have received basic services) as late as 2002 most weren't connected to the sewage system and suffer from unreliable water system and damaged roads. Since then infrastructure has improved, although the townships are ranked among the poorest areas in Israel; keep in mind these are Israeli citizens.
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/17773/israel-largely-ignoring-growth-needs-of-bedouin-community/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Bedouin#Israeli-built_townships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Basma_Regional_Council

 

Really? because after Operation Cast Lead, all the organization that trasfered money to Israeli organization such as Bimkom, B'tselem etc. have conditioned the transfer of money in achieving the minimum negative "evidences", which contradicts your claims and rainforce the claim that all those organizations represent the interests of foreign donors.

Source: http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/breaking_the_silence_shovirm_shtika_

So are you saying that when Israel approved building permits to Arabs in the West Bank is not good? Or mayne when Israel is allowing to build illegaly in the West Bank houses which is condected by the EU? Or maybe when Israel approved the existance of the new Arab city of Rawabi? Or maybe when Israel approved a building of a new Arab city near Jericho, which will make the current illegal Arab houses in that area from illegal to leagl, and by that providing to the retro-active permits? And the list can go on and on.

The Civil Administration already published an anouncement regarding their other reports that B'tselem claimed to use Civil Administration's info, that said that the use of information that was taken from the Civil Administration is inaccurate and the report was misleading. Thus, according to that anouncement the information that B'tselem is publishing is shady and twisted.
Moreover, let us not forget as I showed you here, that B'tselem is receiving money from organization conditioned the transfer of money to the group on its ability to gather a minimum number of incriminating “testimonies” against the Israel. (B'tselem like Bimkom is receiving money from forigen governements such as the one from Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway, Britain, Germany, France, EU etc. , which raise the question of maybe these organizations have some political agenda from those governements that they need to represents for the funding).

Right, the memo has no legal standing since the nagotiations between Abu-Mazen and Olmert didnt end, but the memo shows the agreements from the "Palestinians" to give back all the lands that Jews legaly bought prior to 1948 in the West Bank and in Gaza. As well we need to remember that this memo can be used in a future nagotiations, so "the last word" from this memo has yet to be heard.

Correct. I didnt ignore that! That's what I claimed all along, Good to see that you are agreeing with me.

Unfortunately for you and those organizations Article 49 from the 4th GC is not applicable. And I already showed it here with reinforcement from Prof. Stone, which he is a international law expert.

The property in Hebron belongs to individuals. The JNF didnt purched lands in the Jewish community in Hebron. Hence, the right of return as it was stated in the memo is applicable in the case of Hebron.

You are keep repeating on claims that we are already talked about in our previous discussions. Please re-read my pevious comments reagrding this subject.

And still it is proof that Bibi wanted to withdraw from lands in the West Bank.

If you didnt get it until now- to agree to do the Disengagement was a move to the center and by doing so he contradicted his claims that you presented here.
If he was until in the same state of mind of "to grab as many hiltops as possible", then he wouldnt have done the disengagement.


* The state of mind you claimed he was in 2005, was said and had in the 70's and in the 80's. Please refresh your arsenal of statements of leaders.

Ya'alon in 2013 has approved a plan to build a new Arab city which will be under the PA control near Jericho that will take 2,000 dunams of lands from Israeli lands:

The city's name will be Nu'aimah will intend to house tan of thousand Arab residents and Israel will trasfer for that 2,000 dunams of lands from the Jordan Valley Regional Council to this project:

Ya'alon has freezed this project to study it much better, and after he studied it he removed his objection to it and according to the Israeli Defence Ministary it will be for the Arab population that live today illegaly on state lands:

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168504

We dont live in 2002 nor in 1989. We are in the year of 2015. Alot has changed, please check the dates.

 

why isn't it applicable?

Israel is Occupying the West Bank.

 

Prof. Stone, an international law expert, talked about the applicability of Article 49 of the 4th GC in 1980 and which his statement is been used in the reply to the ICJ's advisory Opinion from 2004:

Source: http://www.mythsandfacts.org/media/user/documents/Eli Hertz Reply 4-21-05D.pdf

 

that's funny, cause Dr. Gauthier says Israel does Occupy the West Bank, which means the 4th GC and the 1907 Hague regulations are applicable.

the Israeli Supreme Court agrees.

 

Dr. Gautheir says that according to the international law (which is Article 80 from the UN Charter and according to the document of the Mandate that Article 80 protects), Judea and Samaria is for the Jews to have.

 

he said that Israel occupies the West Bank.

that means he is saying that the 4th GC and 1907 hague regulations apply to Israel.

 

Dr. Gautheir says that according to the international law (which is Article 80 from the UN Charter and according to the document of the Mandate that Article 80 protects), Judea and Samaria is for the Jews to have.

 

he says Israel Occupies the West Bank.

do u deny this?

 

Please re-read my previous comments.

 

that's not a denial.

so you must agree that he says Israel Occupies the West Bank.

 

That's not what I said. If you want to know what I said about Dr. Gauthier please re-read my previous comments.

 

you refused to directly comment on Gauthier's actual statement, that Israel is occupying the West Bank.

its time to respond directly.

 

If you want to know what I said about Dr. Gauthier please re-read my previous comments.

 

you never directly responded, you avoid.

now, what is your view of Gauthier saying Israel Occupies the West Bank?

 

If you want to know what I said about Dr. Gauthier please re-read my previous comments.

 

actually, now I remember.

you disregarded his comments as inconvenient and irrelevent

 

Actually what I said is:
Dr. Gautheir says that according to the international law (which is Article 80 from the UN Charter and according to the document of the Mandate that Article 80 protects), Judea and Samaria is for the Jews to have.

 

well, I re-read your previous comments and you also said that when Gauthier says that Israel is Occupying the West Bank, he is irrelevent and inconvenient.

 

Please re-read them once again, I think you need to.

 

oh, I did.

perhaps you should re-read your comments to remind yourself of what you wrote.

 

I know what I wrote. Thank you for your concern.

 

I didn't cite breaking the silence. I cited B'tselem which used Israeli data from civil administration(you don't provide link to civil administration actually saying b'tselem didn't use their data). So what they receive foreign money(unless you believe funding human rights groups is immoral?). The right also receive foreign funding with "at least 40 American groups” have given “$200 million in tax-deductible gifts for Jewish settlement in the West Bank and East Jerusalem over the last decade.” according to the New York Times
Some examples are below
"6. SOS Israel: Reportedly receives an unspecified amount of funding from a U.S. group called Machanaim, also registered in New York. SOS Israel gained notoriety (and was investigated by the Israeli government) for offering cash rewards to soldiers who disobey settlement eviction orders. SOS Israel is opposed to “giving up any part of Eretz Yisroel.”
2. Central Fund of Israel: Registered in New York. It raised approximately US$12 million in 2007 alone. Mondoweiss has reported how some of this money funds settler militias through the groups Amitz and Magen Yehuda. The Central Fund for Israel has been criticized for this aid, as well as its association with an extremist Yitzhar yeshiva tied to the far-right group Women in Green."
http://fpif.org/israels_tax-deductible_occupation/
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/06/world/middleeast/06settle.html?pagewanted=all

Bibi himself in his primary campaigns has received foreign funding(such a hypocritical vision-less leader) with 90 percent of his funding campaign contributions in the last election coming from three American families. Here is an except from the article "Thank you, rich Americans,” said Yonatan Benizri, a 27-year-old Likud Party activist recently told Buzzfeed. “Why get money from Israel when you can get it from the US?”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...lling-israels-benjamin-netanyahu-9966074.html

"Right, the memo has no legal standing since the negotiations between Abu-Mazen and Olmert didnt end, but the memo shows the agreements from the "Palestinians" to give back all the lands that Jews legaly bought prior to 1948 in the West Bank and in Gaza. As well we need to remember that this memo can be used in a future nagotiations, so "the last word" from this memo has yet to be heard. "
Negotiations between Abu-Mazen and Olmert didn't end? You realize Olmert isn't in office anymore or that negotiations ended after Livni lost election and there is no ongoing negotiations?Bibi has never agreed to go back to point of 2008 talks either. There is no agreement for the Palestinians to give back land Jews bought prior to 1948 in West Bank and Gaza. The draft memo is from the negotiating support team to the Palestinian negotiation team not to Israelis(which means the Palestinians didn't offer right of return for Jews in deal) and it examines the issue of Jewish property and land left behind as result of 48 war. One of it's policy options is to have Jews who personally lost land/property due to 48 war to return to their property/lands(or financial composition if that isn't possible) as residents of a Palestinian state created as part of the negotiations. With current Israeli government there won't be negotiations. Depending on results of next Israeli election which is probably a year or two from now there might be negotiations; however by then Abbas might be out of office with some recent indications are that he might resign by then.

"Correct. I didnt ignore that! That's what I claimed all along, Good to see that you are agreeing with me."
No I didn't, you claimed right of return applies to land JNF bought, it doesn't as stated below
"This only applies to individuals(not any that JNF purchased). None of the settlers in Hebron are Jews that lost property/lands due to 48 war nor are any of them even direct descendants of Jews that lived in Hebron prior to 1948. So none of them have a claim to right of return to Hebron if the PA offered right of return for Jews that personally lost property/lands due to 48 war during negotiations.

"You are keep repeating on claims that we are already talked about in our previous discussions. Please re-read my pevious comments reagrding this subject"
You didn't respond to anything I said like condemning the behavior of Hebron's settlers. Why is it hard for you to simply condemn people who's leader(referring to chief rabbi of yeshiva for Hebron) endorsed a book that said it was okay to kill non Jewish children or called someone that massacred 29 Palestinians holier than victims of the holocaust?
http://imeu.org/article/state-sanctioned-incitement-israels-extremist-rabbis
"And still it is proof that Bibi wanted to withdraw from lands in the West Bank. "
Again those were military withdrawals(the Wye accord withdrawal was 1% of area C full Israeli civil and military control to area A full Palestinian civil and security control and 12% of area C to area B Palestinian civil control and joint Israeli-Palestinian security control, however during Bibi's term only 2% of area C was transferred to area B) none of them settlement withdrawals or offering to dismantle settlements or anything close to a viable Palestinian state.
https://books.google.com/books?id=C...age&q=wye river 2% area c transferred&f=false

"If you didnt get it until now- to agree to do the Disengagement was a move to the center and by doing so he contradicted his claims that you presented here.
If he was until in the same state of mind of "to grab as many hiltops as possible", then he wouldnt have done the disengagement. "
I never said disengagement wasn't move to center. At the time during Bibi's first gov 1996-1999 his state of mind was to expand the settlements much as possible in order to grab as much land as possible which shown he openly admitted. As mentioned before his record of voting at the time showed him to be far right with voting against Egyptian peace treaty, withdrawal to southern Lebanon in 1985, opposed Madrid 1991 negotiations, voted against Oslo Accords, abstained on vote for Jordanian-Israeli peace treaty, and voted against 1997 Hebron withdrawal.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/pomegranate/2014/01/ariel-sharon

"The city's name will be Nu'aimah will intend to house tan of thousand Arab residents and Israel will trasfer for that 2,000 dunams of lands from the Jordan Valley Regional Council to this project:"
The city is built to forcibly transfer Bedouin who live in strategic areas like E-1 and Jordan valley. As already established, it's extremely difficult for Palestinians to receive permits.

"We dont live in 2002 nor in 1989. We are in the year of 2015. Alot has changed, please check the dates."
I didn't say we live in 2002. I noted that given the track record of Israel's own Bedouin citizens below the town is bound to be an extremely poor town probably lacking basic services.
"Israel's record of treatment of Bedouin is not good especially in the Negev where townships(between 1968-1989 seven townships were built for the Negev Bedouin half of Negev Bedouin live in them, the other half live in 39-45 unrecognized villages where they aren't connected to basic services like sewage or water and 11 recognized villages that were recognized after 2003 and since then have received basic services) as late as 2002 most weren't connected to the sewage system and suffer from unreliable water system and damaged roads. Since then infrastructure has improved, although the townships are ranked among the poorest areas in Israel; keep in mind these are Israeli citizens.
http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/17773/israel-largely-ignoring-growth-needs-of-bedouin-community/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negev_Bedouin#Israeli-built_townships
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Basma_Regional_Council



"Unfortunately for you and those organizations Article 49 from the 4th GC is not applicable. And I already showed it here with reinforcement from Prof. Stone, which he is a international law expert.:
Article 49 does apply, everyone I cited below are experts on international law(this isn't a complete this is just some of the experts on international law that state article 49 does)
Kiryat Arba is a settlement; most of the world regard all settlements as illegal including all EU foreign ministers(including allies like Netherlands), UNSC, ICJ, international red cross, former legal adviser to Israeli foreign ministry ;Theodore Meron, etc. regard as illegal. "

"So are you saying that when Israel approved building permits to Arabs in the West Bank is not good? Or mayne when Israel is allowing to build illegaly in the West Bank houses which is condected by the EU? Or maybe when Israel approved the existance of the new Arab city of Rawabi? Or maybe when Israel approved a building of a new Arab city near Jericho, which will make the current illegal Arab houses in that area from illegal to leagl, and by that providing to the retro-active permits? And the list can go on and on."
I never said that. I pointed out the fact that Israel rarely approvals permits for Palestinians. Israel should approve more permits for Palestinians and master plans which they are obligated to do as the occupying power, not have 70% of area C barred from building for Palestinians due to restricted zones like state lands, nature zones etc. Rawabi and Nureih aren't comparable. Rawabi is the first planned Palestinian city being built, the city is also being built for people that go there of their own free will(it's also not being built to evict Bedouin from strategic areas like e-1, Jordan valley).
http://www.btselem.org/planning_and_building/restrictions_on_palestinian_planning_and_building

 

I know yuo didnt, but I used the info from Breaking the Silence, to show you that the NDC is trasfering money to Israeli organization whcih have conditioned the transfer of money in achieving the minimum negative "evidences", which contradicts your claims and rainforce the claim that all those organizations represent the interests of foreign donors.

I never said that the Civil Administration said that B'tselem didnt use their data. I said:
The Civil Administration already published an anouncement regarding their other reports that B'tselem claimed to use Civil Administration's info, that said that the use of information that was taken from the Civil Administration is inaccurate and the report was misleading. Thus, according to that anouncement the information that B'tselem is publishing is shady and twisted.

The difference is that the NDC has conditioned the transfer of money in achieving the minimum negative "evidences", while the funding of this Israeli organization is not been conditioned by anything. The American organization is sending money to Israeli organization that have same views about the settlements and all the rest, while the NDC is conditioned the trasfer of money to Bimkom or B'tselem in achieving from these organizations nagative "evidences", and this is just wrong.

The gundinf that Bibi got is according to the law, and the donors didnt conditioned the transfer of moeny to Bibi in acheiving nagative "evidences" from him, while the NDC is doing just that with the organizations that it funds.

I said "right", which means agreed with you that the nagotiations did end. When I wrote "did not" it was a mistake and which is pretty notecble because of the word "right".

When and where did I wrote that the one that will do it is has to Bibi? It can be Bibi and can be someone else that will come after Bibi.

You have been contradicted yourself. Once you said that the memo doesnt talked about a right of return to the Jews, but in previous comments you stated that there is right of return to individuals (which means Jews as the memo states).

I guess you need to re-read what I wrote. Here you go:
The JNF's lands in Judea and Samaria are velong to the JNF, hence they are the legal owner of those lands. Also that you showed here, that the article states that the ones who lived on the JNF's lands have the right of return.

Which means that it is exactly what you stated that the right of return has to individuals, becuase the article states not just that Jews have right of return to their lands, but as well to lands they live on prior to 1948.

I did already respond to that claims numerous of times and it wasnt hard for me to respond. In this thread and in other threads. Here is my response that I wrote in this thread:
BTW- I already wrote numerous of times about ilogical herrasments.

For more you can re-read my previous statements regarding this subject in previous threads.

And yet the withdrawal that Bibi supported in Wye and Hebron agreements shows that he supports on withdrawal of lands.

I never said you said that. Please stick to the progrem.

AS I already wrote:
Ya'alon in 2013 has approved a plan to build a new Arab city which will be under the PA control near Jericho that will take 2,000 dunams of lands from Israeli lands:

The city's name will be Nu'aimah will intend to house tan of thousand Arab residents and Israel will trasfer for that 2,000 dunams of lands from the Jordan Valley Regional Council to this project:

Ya'alon has freezed this project to study it much better, and after he studied it he removed his objection to it and according to the Israeli Defence Ministary it will be for the Arab population that live today illegaly on state lands:

Source: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/168504

The city will give retro-active permits to houses that today exist on a land near Jericho that on that lands will be build the new Arab city.The build of the city will be for the ones who live today illegaly on the same land, and by that will approve they stay on that land and will make them legal from illegal.

Alot has cahnged from 2002, so when you rely on stuff from 13 years ago, and then use it like it is happens today it is not serious.

AFAI- Rahat, the Bedouin city in the Negev has one of the highest Precentage of pupils that eligible for matriculation certificates.

I already replied to that claims. Please re-read my previous comments.

So if you think that what I wrote is not bad, and actually good, then stop write it like it is a bad thing.

As I showed here Israel is approving building plans when it passes, like Rawabi, the new city near Jericho etc.
Also Israel is allowing alot of illegal Arabs building (Israel is not evecuating them. The great example for that is that Israel is not evecuating illegal houses that were built by the EU).

Rawabi needed Israeli permits to build this land. And regarding Nu'amiah, this city is for the illegal Arab houses that is exsited in the area where this new city is planned to be built. So the city is for the illegal houses that new exists, and they will be part of this new city.