Being under 18 shouldn't make you a slave

What do you mean?

 

Just being a bother doesn't mean you're violating anyone's rights.

 

I'm thinking it goes a little further than that. If you read what I wrote before you will understand what I'm saying.

 

Five year old children and 17 year old children do run away. In their limited experience and questionable judgement both feel they can get along just fine without supervision and many who run away end up dead or damaged as a result. Drug addiction and abandoned refrigerators are just some things arrogant children fall into. It would be cruel and irresponsible to allow children to do as they like and simply right off the death, damage, and other regrettable consequences they will reap as "their choice."

In general, we excuse the reckless and ignorant behaviour of children and shield them from what would be the consequence because we understand their experience, there foresight and judgement are insufficient. We therefore require an adult to be responsible for them until either they demonstrate to a court that they should be emancipated or reach an age at which they loose the protections of childhood and -- as a society -- we feel morally free to allow them to accept the full consequences of their choices.

 

Well, I don't think your judgment is worth (*)(*)(*)(*) if you support the US military.

Supporting people that don't understand the war they're fighting, to secure the interests of rich white men and transnational corporations that could give a rat's ass about them, is kind of stupid.

They're pawns in a game, I find it hard to find sympathy for people that willingly die and become disabled to protect the interests of the rich, blinded by patriotic propaganda. It's sad that these people are so ignorant.

 

This...

Ummmm what? I think what you are saying here is that, you understand far better about the war that our military men are fighting (without actually being in the military) than our military men do themselves?

So, basically you are feeling that our military only protects rich people? And this is something that you might actually say to a real person that you might/have met? Ok, good luck to you.

 

What would make them know anymore about what they're fighting for just because they shoot the people. Infantry don't know anymore than a civilian about the motivations for going to war and the reasons they're fighting. They're aren't my military men, they're yours. I hold no respect for people that mindlessly sacrifice themselves for reasons they don't understand.

Yes, the purpose of war is to protect the interests of the rich. Yes, and I do say it to people I meet, I'm not afraid to voice my opinions.

 

“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his.”
― George S. Patton Jr.​

 

May I firstly congratulate you on your restraint and very astute use of words.

I was once asked as a microbiologist why we cannot remember much before we are 3 or 4. It's not that we cannot remember, it is that we do not have the experience, we have not yet developed language skills to describe what we have experienced/.

It is virtually that we cannot remember what we cannot talk about, and if you ask a 2 year old to describe what happened yesterday he cannot. Not because he doesn't remember, it's that he hasn't the means to communicate. It all comes with age and experience.

As we grow older we see more, learn more, have more knowledge from which to base our experiences.

Until then we should be gentle, even to fools.

 

I absolutely agree with you. And someday this gentleman will realize the sacrifices our military have made in order for him to sit on his computer and let the world know how much he doesn't yet understand. It is the same with the occupy wall st. people. They will eventually fade into the backround or be forced underground again, and conform to our capitalist society, and maybe some they will actually become rich themselves, and benefit from the great opportunities before them...and be thankful for it...then and only then will they realize what a great country this is, and why we have become the most powerful richest nation on earth, in such a short period...and that it is because of capitalism and our free market system...but most of all, because of our fighting men and women who if it not for them, none of that would matter.

Most of the 60's and 70's radicals have learned much since their days of protest, and most have benefited greatly from of our military that they once despised, and the capitalist system they called evil. They may not always understand that this has happened, but if they are still breathing...it has. Unfortunetely the rest made their way into politics are today are in control of this great country.

I am very sad to see young people with such views so early in life, I know my kids are the very first ones to walk up to that soldier and thank them for serving our country, as am I. My family has sacrificed, but the ones who served/serve still today, are the ones who truly understand the meaning of the word...this child does not. He has probably never sacrificed a thing in his short life...maybe when he does he will understand.

 

What? Where?

What free market? You mean the one that exists without taxes or regulation or subsidies or fiat currency?

God bless him if that's true!

 

That's it really...just

 

Sadly, you've been brainwashed into believing all the patriotic propaganda that's been instilled in you since birth.

American soldiers have committed so many heinous acts in the name of America, it's sickening that you can dismiss them and say that they're doing good.

Ever heard of the My Lai Massacre? US Soldiers killed 347–504 unarmed civilians. Did I mention they raped and tortured many of the victims?

Little babies and women raped and killed in My Lai:


How about the Balad Massacre of 2006? US soldiers shot and killed little babies and elderly people. 11 people murdered in all.

The Haditha Killings, US soldiers murdered 24 Iraqi men, women, and children. The military lied and denied that the US soldiers had killed them. The evidence has proven otherwise.

Haditha Killings CBS Video

How about the Mahmudiyah killings? US soldiers first murdered a fourteen year old girls father mother and six year old sister, after executing her family they proceeded to gang rape her. After they were done, they shot her in the head and burned her body.

Or the Maywand District killings.


US soldiers murdered three unarmed civilians and then took pictures posing with the dead bodies:

How about the 2007 Shinwar Shootings?

US soldiers killed 19 unarmed Afghanistani civilians fleeing from a bomb attack, over fifty were injured.

US Helicopter fires on a journalist and his driver then on more unarmed civilians: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0[/ame]

This is nothing. This is just the tip of the iceberg, go read the Afghan war diaries



Shame on you for supporting the murder of innocent men women and children, shame on you for blindly accepting the rhetoric they teach you, shame on you for not speaking out against injustice.

 

Why is it that you believe everything you read/hear about from other countries? Because you want to...and that is sad. If you would feel more comfortable somewhere else, in some other country, you could always leave. How about Cuba? I hear just about anywhere in the Middle East is wonderful this time of year. I find it amazing that people such as yourself, would actually stay here, "knowing" what you "know". So the question is, why? Could it be safety? Freedom? And, that comes from where? In your little infantile world...tell us adults where that comes from, and then tell us how you take advantage of it everyday of your life.

There is absolutely no doubt that there are some in the military that are disgusting human beings...but they are rare. Not one person military or not would EVER make excuses or protect such men...EVER.

 

I do however agree with him on more things I think then I do you.

I do not believe capitalism is good, it had it's time in our history but like everything it must change to make way for the future.

In the next post he talks of the atrocities committed, and like all of these types of posters never looks at both sides.

I honestly believe that more problems in the world are created by the US then are what is solved by the US.

I also believe that whilst the US will not be directly the cause of the next major world conflict, it would however never have come about if it wasn't for them.

 

I disagree...America has done far more good for this world, than bad. No question. Capitalism needs to change to what? It's not capitalism itself that's the problem, come on you're intelligent...you know that, don't you?

Just tell me what you want it changed to...please ANYONE? No one can EVER answer that question!

 

If I was to answer that, you would all jump up and down and go crazy. Why, because it is something we know, but have never really had, well not for about 200 years since it was last truly seen.

Lets call it for the want of a better name HUMANITARIANISM where people come before profit. Where social responsibility is more important than GDP

And thank you yes I think I am intelligent and patriotic, served 10 years in military obtained the rank of sergent, have three degrees, ran in 2 federal elections

 

Are you in denial about these massacres? You can't believe that so many "brave warriors" could rape and murder little babies? That's war for you, the US is no different.

I was born in this land, the US has no claim to it. They killed innocent natives that lived here before to get the land, it's as much mine as it is theirs.

As I said, the thugs that call themselves government don't own this land. I see them as violent and illegitimate and I am actively working to bring an end to the government's existence through protest, education, and civil disobedience. You have this flawed idea that your rights come from government. They don't, no one can give you rights, you're born with them. Why do you believe that the person with the most guns should get to tell you what to do? Why does might make right?

To be part of an organazitaion that has a history for civilian murder is immoral. You think it's rare yet their are so many incidents. That's bull(*)(*)(*)(*) that they don't protect them, do you want me to list military cover ups?

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/61873,news-comment,news-politics,alexander-cockburn-lies-(*)(*)(*)(*)ed-lies-and-us-military-cover-ups-iraq-shooting-photographers

They were never going to tell the public about that, they covered it up. It took wikileaks releasing it for them to fess up to their crimes. You support a violent and evil government and that's what is disgusting.

 

I will agree with you as long as you agree that anyone person under 18 who gets free of the parents can not use welfare until they are 25.....

It's not fair to the tax payers to have to pay someone's bills just because they don't like their parents. So no housng aid, no food stamps, no nothing,,,,They have to provide completely for themselves.

 

We have that in Australia but there needs to be safety nets, like where families are abusive and children leave due to that. This however is grossly abused here and it only hurts those that are honest. Those that cheat the system are good and it takes a lot of resources to stop them.

 

To me this is the problem

We have a few who want a lot for nothing
We have a lot that want a little for nothing

Then you have the rest of us who just want to get on with it, but it's us who get attached to another object by an inclined plane wrapped helically around an axis!

 

That actually does seem pretty peacefull to me. They're just sitting around playing drums and whatnot. Who does that really hurt? It might be annoying but it shouldn't be illegal.

 

Children are not always mature enough to make good decisions and, since adults are totally responsible for minors, it is up to adults to decide if a minor can be emancipated. Laws protect children from their own, often times, bad life choices. Minors just don't have the life experience yet to make good, informed decisions.

 

The laws and rules are there, and written that way, because MOST people of that age group don't have enough sense to scrape scheisse off their shoe. Not all, just most.

 

I agree, the interests of 14-17 year old children need to be protected. Sometimes it is difficult to make the distinction between unreasonable parents and excessive restrictions that constitute chronic abuse.