Being under 18 shouldn't make you a slave

I think you can argue whether it's justified, but I don't even know how you can argue that position.

(Actually, I have a good idea how and why you're going to proceed, but I still don't like it)

 

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No, I am not. I'm saying the question of mental competence should be the whole determination rather than just part of it.

All of this applies equally well to mentally disabled adults. There are millions of mentally disabled adults running around, yet no one is saying that it's necessary for the store to run a "competence test" for them. What if a store sells a cell phone service to an adult that someone later claims was retarded, deranged, drunk, or stoned? There's no magic number for that.

 

The autobahns are alot better build than our highways in america. They also have alot of laws other than speeding and huge fines if people break them. Also, they do have speeding laws, in many areas near cities It is only outside of the cities, in the countryside that have no speed limit, but if you speed causes any loss of control you can recieve a huge fine for reckless driving in Germany as well, even if the loss of control was only for a second.

 

That's how it should be: reckless driving should be penalized, driving against the flow of traffic should be penalized. But merely going "too fast" according to the opinion of some politician is not the same this as driving recklessly or against the flow of traffic.

 

their human rights are not severely limited in western countries.

that is why there are laws protecting children.

 

Oh is that right? So children can smoke, drink, have sex, work, sign contracts, and do all the same things someone 18 or older can do?

What country do you live in? I'd like to go there!

 

Being the grand old age of 65, I believe that anyone under 21 should be locked up and not permitted out in public until they can prove they are not rude and can contribute to society. I have an intense dislike for Children.

 

laws restricting these freedoms are designed to protect children, and being restricted from these activities doesn't make them a slave - in fact restrictions on work (is it really 18 in your country?) are there to ensure that children are not exploited, and enslaved.

If you understood the most basic things about the adolescent brain you would understand why these laws are in place, and why they are not a denial of rights.

 

rude, arrogant opinionated children should be sent to their rooms - without internet access!

 

I know what you mean and can identify with that however, the little savages need guidance, if you don't teach them then someone else will.......be it a street gang, the music industry, the media and/or the public school system.

 

I totally agree, particularly so in respect of rude, arrogant, opinionated children of 65 years of age.

 

How aren't they?

 

They are not vulnerable to every stray demagogue until they have the need instilled into them for "teaching".

 

Were you ever a child or did you just hatch out of some sort of pod?

 

That's not surprising for someone on a political forum, especially for someone with as an authoritarian a disposition as yours.

You see, in adult life the government fulfills the psychological roles that were held by parents during childhood, both maternal(welfare and education) and paternal(prisons and the military). Not wanting to believe that your parents treated you badly but also not able to testify to complete strangers regarding your parents' righteousness without seeming like a total weirdo, you defend your government in lieu of defending your parents.

This doesn't just apply to you, but to pretty much everyone on here.

 

you're advocating abolishing child labor laws as a form of human right??!

good grief.

just be honest, this is ANOTHER thread about wanting have sex with the kiddies.

 

thanks for providing proof that even the arbitrary '18' isn't always a sign of maturity.

first, females are not 'chicks'

second, males can and DO get raped; and more (WAY more) get murdered, assaulted, AND have car accidents.

 

protection from people like you that would put them in dangerous situations they are unable to adequately evaluate for themselves.

from people like sonofdin that thinks toddlers are educated enough about sex to have sex.

from anyone that doesn't comprehend the most basic biological fact that a child's brain is not developed enough to make these decisions.

 

spoken like someone that has never dealt with a victim of childhood sexual abuse.

it is really infuriating to hear people like you that have no clue what childhood abuse does to someone.

I work with adults that are dealing with this stuff. I know a woman that couldn't have sex as an adult because of the scarring in her vagina because of chronic sex abuse as a toddler. It doesnt' WORK to put an adult penis in a toddler's vagina or anus, they dont' fit. The anus loses muscle development and tone...she had to have surgery to repair the damage and will never be able to have children because of the damage...that isn't 'society telling her it is wrong' that's REAL physical damage.

In addition, for those that aren't so sick as to fantasize and sexualize kids...is that kids are no match to an adult with bad intentions...and adults that are so sick as to view children as sex objects are not concerned with the kid's well being or feelings. So the child is aware they are being used but don't have the cognitive ability to understand it isn't THEIR failing but the adults.

and most child molesters, being the sick bastards they are, are very into porn and will photograph and film the encounters. the children are left with the trauma of knowing those photos and videos are out there and anyone they run into may have seen them. I have met people of both sexs that refuse to hold office in clubs, refuse to go out, refuse to do anything because of the fear that those pics and videos will show up. They will never hold public office of any kind, some never date...adults have a problem with finding this kind of stuff is out there...how is a child supposed to?

it isn't the sex act, idiot, it isn't the response of the general public...it is the emotional and physical damage done to the CHILD that is the reason child sex is wrong.

 

whereas you set up these ridiculous scenarios and then extrapolate from them that a whole class of people SHOULD...it's DISGUSTING.

drop the charade...this is all about kiddie sex for you.

 

the idea that you even imagine that a five year old could be 'intelligent enough' to sign contracts shows a chilling lack of awareness of human development.

 

it's the Progressive march to remake society...

break down the family, encourage sexual hedonism and shout down anyone that objects.

 

it IS funny isn't it? he can't make the connection between his OWN freedom to the military...he thinks it is just chance that we are not living in a German or Japanese controlled occupied land with Jews, Gypsys, mentally ill, and homosexuals eradicated from the face of the Earth...

sad really what passes for education these days. (really, I am not being sarcastic, it really is so very sad.)

 

you are more charitable than I.

I work with the ruined lives that are left behind by his kind, by people with his view of children and can't see past that.

words do matter, words can harm and every time someone is allowed to lie about how good sex is for kids (if only society would allow them to be 'free') it encourages and emboldens others.