Betsy DeVos: I'd be 'fine' if we could ditch the Education Department

Always gotta go back to attack the south huh? Guess where the biggest percentage of the black population lives. So you are attacking blacks and claiming they can't think for themselves and would never be able to progress without you uppity liberals in the north that knows what's "best" for them huh?

Hate to burst your bubble here, but manufacturing of high end electronics is done in the south. Cars, planes, avionics companies come to the south to hire people who can get things built and are used to getting their hands dirty. Ignorance is thinking that the parties switched back in the 70's.

 

Having an approved curriculum is not the issue. It's the unqualified, largely religious idiots who are the administrators of the curriculum that's the issue. Hey, if you want your kid to be stupid and socially inept, by all means go for it. Don't cry when they can't find a job.

 

Something I think that we can all agree on is that our system needs constant improvement. Putting a religious nitwit in charge seems like a great idea only to those who don't value education.

 

Who wins spelling bees and most other academic competitions again? Oh, homeschoolers? Yeah, I will take a largely religious genius over an indoctrinated kid any day.

 

Explain to me, in detail, why you are for this nonsensical choice model when the Finnish model has exceeded ours by light years, will continue to do so, and are for promoting an education agenda that favors the nobility and their spawn over the rest of the country.

And don't (*)(*)(*)(*)ing lie.

 

Finland has a population of 5.5 million. If it were a U.S. state, it would be a medium-sized one. Also, it only works in Finland, which has an extremely homogeneous population.

 

Finland has a population of approx 5.4 million. I'm not sure I would sparse up control to that small of a population size, but allowing education systems inside the US like 50 Finlands is a good idea. If a few states wanted to emulate Finland, I'm all for it.

 

Because Finland has the most children being raised by BOTH parents....



Single Parents, Around the World

 

You would substitute 21st century fairy tales? We need pasty skinned snowflakes quoting from the books of climatechange Instead?

How about no fairy tales or bullying enforcement of the envirowackos religion?

 

So nothing constructive to add just hyperbole?

 

All 51 state and DC government bodies are better prepared and able to do so. Amazing how some believe that working for the federal government makes you smarter than others.

 

Non-point. I agree there is an issue with cheap marriage and parentage in this country but it has nothing to do with single parenting. Finland's sytem works because it is far more efficient.

If we get rid of charters and private schools, rich kids go to the same schools as poor kids.

All kids are advocated in the same manner then.

So, again. Tell me in detail why YOU are for choice when choice has been proven to NOT work, and to proliferate the nobility class.

 

The ledt wing specious hyperbole continues. Tell me how exactly do you turn a disdain for a federal department of education that has not only failed in its mission to improve education but has overseen a dramatic decline in educational achievement into a total disdain for ALL education?

 

Non-argument. A lot of the points of Finland's system were taken from ours before the right wing decided to crusade against education. Here's the hilarious part. 57% of income taxes discretionarily spent by the gov't is for the military. Education is around 9%. Finland spends a decent amount on kids. So does France. But the US spends more for an outdated and contrived system and the problem isn't teachers.

It's the tax payer.

Yes. I said it. The tax payer. Conniving, whining, spiteful and idiotic.

Perhaps if the US paycheck broke out what amount went to what on each paycheck, we'd be able to more adequately direct our ire at the government. As it stands, the US tax payer is to blame. They bought into a bogus hoax problem conjured up by voodoo practitioners of the Republican slant, and their sickening, hollow rich overlords who want to get their talons in the education game by promoting for profit schooling.

It. Works. Nowhere.

Homogeny is irrelevant. ALL of our kids deserve the absolute BEST our society has to offer.

Instead, we sell them out to corporate America.

We sell them out to rich elitists transforming education into a for profit enterprise.

We charge them as adults.

WE, the US TAX PAYERS, are the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing problem here.

We need to accept NO LESS THEN THE BEST, and the best is NOT for profit choice, as is proven throughout the civilized world.

School choice has not succeeded anywhere, and it won't here. No amount of bull(*)(*)(*)(*) "American exceptionalism" argument will save you.

WHY WON'T IT WORK HERE? (Hint. It won't because our rich overlords WON'T LET IT.)

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It's not hyperbole. The right wing promotes sending kids to "private, charter or religious, or in Trump's case home school" using a voucher system.

There are plenty of people of the right wing slant that want to further entrench their kids into religious education.

It's not hyperbole, the evidence is EVERYWHERE, and I am (*)(*)(*)(*)ing SICK of having to point this out to you lot.

 

Right...better for the state government to "indoctrinate" the our innocent and precious children rather than the federal government.

I think it's the lack of proper education that creates this line of thinking, that state government is "better" than the federal.

 

The decisions the state government makes are closer to the people. I would actually advocate for local governments to do most of the decision making for schools, instead of them wasting time and money in accomodating state and federal mandates, which are crafted far away from the people of the community.

 

Can we assume that you know that state participation with the US Department of Education is 100% voluntary!!!!

The states don't have to listen to a damn word the federal government has to say, ever!!!! All they have to do is stop taking the money and pay for their own damn education systems like they're supposed to be doing.

The primary role of the DOE is to provide supplemental funding for education (because the states don't collect and spend enough tax money on education) and it has little involvement in determining curricula or educational standards (blowing the right-wing "indoctrination of our innocent and precious children" BS right out the window) with the recent exception of the 2001 No Child Left Behind Act from the, you guessed it, Republican administration of former President George W Bush.

Perhaps you're also aware of the fact that the Department of Education was an spin off in 1979 from Department of Health, Education, and Welfare created under Republican President Eisenhower in 1953 and was originally proposed by Republican President Warren G Harding 1923.

It's often amusing that many of the complaints by Republicans today relate to things that Republicans are responsible for.

 

Spot on, 100% spot on.

Typical nonsense from the right here. Cannibalizing themselves to befit the needs of their highest donor at the time.

 

Yeah, all the states need to do is stop taking back the money taken away from them and they can do what they want...without the money they had stolen through taxation. Gee, why hasn't anyone thought of that before? I guess coercion is a powerful tool.

 

The fact that you felt the need to mention this tells me that you'd be perfectly fine with the DOE if it only "served right wing interests".

 

Oh typical nonsense.

Stealing money to educate children?

What the (*)(*)(*)(*) is wrong with this country, when we equate educating children to theft of tax dollars.

(*)(*)(*)(*)ing make me sick.

 

lol...btw, here you go.

Republican states are leeches on the wealth of the blue states they seek to dismantle.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

 

So, you can't see the stupidity of the quote I was responding to? They said the states can teach their kids however they want as long as they don't take federal funding. But the problem with that is, the federal funding was first taken from those states, and then given back in lower quantities to the states. Now if the federal government allowed states not to be taxed in the first place and use that money on state schooling systems, then its a perfectly good statement made by Shiva as the states could teach their kids in the way they want without the feds intrusion by coercion. I never said the states can't tax their citizens for public schools.

 

Been disproven many, MANY, times. Its a blanket statement and doesn't differentiate between republican rural areas and democrat cities. Take GA. The best school systems are in rural republican areas of the state and spend half per kid than ATL, which is a huge democrat city and one of the worst school districts which resorts to cheating on standardized tests.

 

Blah blah. Typical excuses. So, essentially, you're -still- blaming democrat areas, yet promoting STATES RIGHTS. Not county rights. Not "area" rights. STATES rights.

Give it a rest. What a shameful joke your argument is.