Biblical Creation vs Evolution- the age of the Earth

It has been tested. Creationists are demonstrably wrong on the age of the earth. We have proven, using numerous and independent methods, that the earth is around 4.5 billion years old.

 

It has been tested. Evolutionist are demonstrably wrong on the age of the earth. We have proven, using numerous and independent methods, that the earth cannot possibly be 4.5 billion years old.

 

Then show us your scientific evidence that proves your claim.

 

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A Clovis projectile pointcreated using bifacial percussion flaking (that is, each face is flaked on both edges alternately with a percussor)
The Clovis culture is a prehistoric Paleo-Indian culture, named for distinct stone tools found in close association with Pleistocene fauna at Blackwater Locality No. 1 near Clovis, New Mexico, in the 1920s and 1930s. It appears around 11,500–11,000 uncalibrated radiocarbon years before present[1] at the end of the last glacial period, and is characterized by the manufacture of "Clovis points" and distinctive bone and ivory tools. Archaeologists' most precise determinations at present suggest this radiocarbon age is equal to roughly 13,200 to 12,900 calendar years ago. Clovis people are considered to be the ancestors of most of the indigenous cultures of the Americas.[2][3][4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_culture

Cultures the world over are more than 10,000 yrs old.

 

Obviously you failed to appreciate that it was you that was doing the imitating thus proving the second part to be equally 100% accurate.

 

Evolution is science and only fundamentalist theists are incapable of grasping science.

 

t is relatively easy to calculate the growth rate needed to get today’s population from Noah’s three sons and their wives, after the Flood. With the Flood at about 4,500 years ago, it needs less than 0.5% per year growth.That’s not very much. Evolutionists claim that mankind evolved from apes about a million years ago. If the population had grown at just 0.01% per year since then (doubling only every 7,000 years), there could be 1043 people today—that’s a number with 43 zeros after it. Say each individual is given ‘standing room only’ of about one square meter per person. However, the land surface area of the whole Earth is ‘only’ 1.5 x 1014 square meters. If every one of those square meters were made into a world just like this one, all these worlds put together would still ‘only’ have a surface area able to fit 1028 people in this way. This is only a tiny fraction of 1043 (1029 is 10 times as much as 1028, 1030 is 100 times, and so on). Those who adhere to the evolutionary story argue that disease, famine and war kept the numbers almost constant for most of this period, which means that mankind was on the brink of extinction for most of this supposed history.10 This stretches credulity to the limits.

No it isn't. There never was a Noah's flood. All this mumbo jumbo about 'Noah's' decendants means nothing. Through evolution many creatures have struggled to survive with changing conditions. Some have not survived. Our descendants had conditions that meant that many of their offspring did not survive. You cannot take todays conditions and extrapolate information from 1 million years ago - or even 5,000 years without taking into account conditions of the time.

In one place you mention that the earth would 'flatten' over several million years. Yet you don't mention the activity of tectonic plates which often cause the earth to rise - as in the Himalayas.
Neither do you mention that your Dr Cupps was a committed Christian as a youth - which rather shows a bias to his opinions.

As someone has already said, you choose which articles suit you.

 

This thread is hilarious!!! The OP, of course, is trolling, but it's still funny that people pretend the bible is the ultimate authority on the age of the earth. Lulz.

 

Good compilation of compelling arguments, facts, and hard science. But the fallacy infected evolutionists are fully invested in their naturalistic beliefs, and will only fume and rage. Scientific debate and rational discussion is impossible, with the jihadist believers in atheistic naturalism guarding their precious dogmas from any scrutiny.

Good luck with the debate.

 

I especially like the ad hom deflections, and the complete ignoring of any arguments or scientific facts presented. Is there any doubt that universal common descent is anything but a deeply held religious belief, with nothing but jihadist zealots defending it.. poison the well, ad hom, straw men, equivocation, assertion.. nothing but fallacies are EVER offered by the militant evolutionists.

Take away their ridicule, mocking, and other fallacies, and they have nothing.

 

There are cave paintings in France that are 40.000 years old.

 

Good post..........

 

Not to mention the awkwardness of which crew member was infected with Kuru and who ate their flesh in order to pass the disease on into the wider human gene pool.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuru_(disease)

In fact, the issue of disease is terribly awkward all around. Either god is constantly making up new ones for a laugh, or some of the humans & animals on board must have been carrying a staggering number of fatal & non-fatal diseases.

So many awkward details.

 

see op.

 

I wish Christians had that much faith. It would be like me showing a picture of jesus raising from the grave, telling the story, and them believing. What faith. The actual scientific evidence is a stone carved by man, evolutionist give their story telling to [with no actual evidence other than their worldview they assume from the start logical fallacy] and it becomes "proof" to the faithful. The only actual dating method referenced was radiocarbon. See my op for that.

 

Evolution is anti-science and only fundamentalist athist are incapable of grasping science.

 

This is the whole point of my op and i am glad you agree.

"You cannot take todays conditions and extrapolate information from 1 million years ago - or even 5,000 years without taking into account conditions of the time"

Because this is what evolutionist do with arguments such as radiometric dating to "prove" an old earth. I am glad you understand uniformtarnism [old earth ideas are built on] is a false assumption. As for noahs flood denying it does not make it not happen, but that is a future thread.


On new rock coming in to replace eroded rock, that is true of course but not at the same rate especially worldwide. Further evolutionist claim these layers have been around for hundreds of millions of years. New rock coming in is not the fossil Bering strata as on "top". So if this process were going on as long as claimed it would contain no older strata as it would have been long ago replaced.

Yes Dr Cupps is bias, as is everyone. That is why we must decide who has the correct bias. Compare both bias see who matches observable science best. Great post, thanks.

 

Thanks, I get a sick joy from. I think the emotional responses do show the heart of the issues is not science as that is on our side, but rather


Heresyphobia- Fear of deviation from traditional doctrine.
Gnosiophobia- Fear of knowledge.
Phronemophobia- Fear of thinking.

“powerful human erge to belong inside the group to think like the majority...and to win the groups approval by trashing dissenters conformity and group think are attitudes of particular danger in science. Because progression depends on overturning established wisdom”
-new york times 23 july 2009

“People dont believe lies because they have to, but because they want to”
-Malcolm Muggeridge


“The truth, indeed, is something that mankind, for some mysterious reason, instinctively dislikes. Every man who tries to tell it is unpopular, and even when, by the sheer strength of his case, he prevails, he is put down as a scoundrel.”
-H. L. Menck

 

Just wait for my upcoming threads the beast will get very angry. I'm just jabbing at the moment wait till i start to hit the heart of the issue and attack their golden idols. I hope you keep an eye out for them.

 

I can understand why you would see these as issues, i did as well. Ill be glad to show on my thread on the flood what i have found. Why is their death and suffering is a great question. Its one of the main reasons i could not be a christian. I will do a thread on it or you can pm me.

 

saw it. No scientific evidence there to refute the fact the earth is 4.5 billion years old. You just made a longwinded word salad that says "nuh uh". Please post you evidence, as you have been directly challenged to do, numerous times now.

 

Lemme guess, JRR, the earth is flat, also.

 

saw it. No scientific evidence there to refute the fact the earth is not 10,000 years old. You just made a post that says "nuh uh". Please post you evidence, as you have been directly challenged to do, numerous times now.

 

Lemme guess,evolutionist think the earth is flat, also.

PS, dairyair, great name.