Biden now wants to RESTART construction on Trump’s border wall to ‘plug gaps’ DHS head Mayorkas says

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  1. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is not what Illegal Aliens are hearing from those who are now enjoying piña coladas by the poolside hotels, ordering room service.
     
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    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't care what they are "hearing" from all the distortions that Biden's opponents put out there. Actions are what count, and his actions are not those of a president who is for open borders.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What actions be that? Appointing border czar who laughed when asked when she's gonna visit the border and has not showed up there yet, more worrying about her apartment being renovated? These actions? Or, perhaps, you're talking about sleepy Joe's ordering border agents to release illegal aliens into America without background checks and a court date? Those actions? Or, what actions are you talking about?

    Your posts do not make me laugh, my friend... just snicker a little :couple_inlove:
     
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    I am not aware of people being released into the country and not being tested.
    Do you have a link?

    Biden did it a little late, but he also stated Don't Come.
    There was no dip in 2020, there appears to be a bit of a pause around Sept of 2020.
     
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    Please read this, Mike, especially all of Section 3:
    https://www.federalregister.gov/doc...rity-and-immigration-enforcement-improvements

    Trump made it clear that he was going to build a wall on the "contiguous" border with Mexico. Now we have an incomplete wall, and a flood pouring into the nation from the Third World... a hyperliberal, America-hating Leftist's 'wet-dream'....

    And, no, I'm not a bit happy about it, but honestly, I knew a 'wall' would never be completed, and wouldn't work even if it had been finished.
     
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    Letting companies getting away with hiring them is a major part of the problem.
    Indicating to me, the 2 parties don't really see them as a problem. Likely a needed part of the economy. IMO.

    Hurt the companies that get caught employing them. Why did trump just let those workers at his company walk free inside the country. Should they have been deported. Yet they weren't.

    Simply slowing them down for a brief period is just about as good as doing nothing.

    Here's a brief article on History of USA immigration. To me, we made laws for reasons I am not sure, but never really enforced them.
    And if we want to continue to grow as a country economically we need immigrants because I don't think we produce enough offspring to keep up with the growth we have/like. IMO.
    And it doesn't appear white Europeans are willing to come to USA anymore.

    ,,,
    Before this change in 1965, there had been no numeric caps on immigration within the Americas. So when the U.S. decided that it would only take a certain percentage of people from each nation per year, it was the first time the U.S. had put an official cap on Mexican immigration.

    Prior to this, Mexican immigrants freely, and commonly, found work in the United States. Yet after the Hart-Celler Immigration Act was passed, “Whole groups of migrants from Mexico and Latin America whose entrance to the U.S. would have been considered legal before 1965 suddenly became illegal,” writesJane Hong, a history professor at Occidental College, in The L.A. Times.
    https://www.history.com/news/the-birth-of-illegal-immigration
     
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    You are genuinely being ridiculous now. Your link goes to an executive order that bases it's authority on, among other things, The Secure Fence Act, which authorized...how many miles of wall (or fence)?

    700 miles.

    At this point I'm not sure what you are arguing about. If you oppose a physical barrier, your side is in office so I don't think you'll have to worry to much that there will be much of one.
     
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    No, murder isn't really something I advocate for. It's all on you.
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You said murder, not I. Me, I was simply implying our borders needs defending.
     
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    You are unaware? Talk about knowing nothing.
     
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    Oh, do YOU know something about how maquiladoras operate on the border with Mexico? Finally, then, there are at least two of us after all!
     
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    So your guy on the border with a maching gun is just for show? He's not locked and loaded?
     
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    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And so do all the border guards, the guy with machine gun is just slightly more imposing :buggered:
     
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    No, Mike, quite the contrary. I wanted aerial armed surveillance drones patrolling the entire border endlessly, backed up by mobile American Army intercept squads which would take surviving invaders into custody. Then the apprehended illegal aliens would summarily be taken to the nearest border crossing and deported immediately! Does that sound to you like I'm some kind of Democrat?! :cynic:
     
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    I don't care. I'm interested in actually stopping illegal immigration. I've no idea what you are interested in, other than pretending to stop illegal immigration.
     
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    Oh, Mike, you have misjudged me, truly. I tell you sincerely that I'd be BANNED in this forum if I told you flat-out what I'd really like to see done about invading illegal aliens, but I'll guarantee you that my methods, although harsh, would effectively stop the problem in its tracks.

    But, on the 'mild' side, I'd put an airtight moratorium on ALL immigration for at least five years. Green Card workers with valid visas would continue to be welcome, and that's ALL....
     
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    are these solutions new proposals for lawful government force?

    military actions against invading illegal aliens are kosher.
     
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    Deportations have continued despite campaign pledges.
    https://apnews.com/article/biden-administration-deports-hundreds-482889ed56ed3cd02c9c61ebd1e3fbb7
    Like the OP said, he's rebuilding the wall despite campaign pledges.
    He said "Don't Come" and has been negotiating with the government of Mexico and Central America countries to stop the flow.
    So, no, that's not open borders. You can snicker as much as you want. But campaign promises to get radical left to vote for him, and governing, are two different things and have always been, in politics, everywhere in the world.
     
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    You may think that "military actions against invading illegal aliens are kosher", but we sure as hell don't see anything like that happening.... Quite the contrary, actually.
     
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    Texas Gov. Abbott stalled federal offer to test migrants then blamed them for spreading Covid - CNNPolitics


    Wow, your really having a problem reading your own chart. Illegal immigration pealed in May 2020 at 144,116. From there, the numbers start a downward trend the ended in April 2020 at 17,106. That is the timeframe that the 2020 election campaigns got into their swings, and Biden suddenly made a surge in the primary numbers. From there the media was painting Biden as a shoo-in. That is when the new surge began. Now that Biden has been elected President, and removed President Trump's policies, the surge in illegals heading for the US border, has reached numbers not seen since 2006.

    During the 2020 election cycle, Biden repeatedly stated that he would remove President Trump's border restrictions. He did so on his first day in office. Now illegals can be seen heading to the US wearing Biden Campaign t-shirts. There is no question as to who or what is behind this new surge. Yet, the Biden Administration has not admitted that there is a crisis along our borders. Biden waited more then 2.5 months to make his lame statement that the border is closed. Ask yourself this, How long does it take someone to walk from Central America to the US border? These people were well on their way before Biden made his weak statement. Do you really think they were just going to turn around and go back?

    If you really want to understand the numbers, check out this link:
    Southwest Land Border Encounters | U.S. Customs and Border Protection (cbp.gov)

    You will see that in March alone, there were 172,331 illegals encountered at the border. Those are just the ones caught. How many weren't caught?

    No matter which media source you listen to, they are only going to give you part of the picture. Only what they want you to see to make their point. You need to go beyond that, and do your own research. Otherwise you will never see the whole picture.
     
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    If you are someone who actually supports really stopping illegal immigration, and supports a "virtual" wall over an actual physical barrier, than congratulations, you are the only one.
     
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    Dont come... yet.... after telling them to come.....Meanwhile we have Harris in control of the issue and all she has done is... laugh.

    You skipped this
    https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-immigration-texas-barack-obama-51688033e490d50867e52ef9c8ec574f
     
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    As I've said, Mike, I support effective, modern, armed reconnaissance technology, backed up by 'boots on the ground' to intercept and STOP -- dead in its tracks -- all illegal 'migrant' invasions. Those measures, which could be easily achieved at a tiny fraction of the cost of the 'wall', which can be cut open, vaulted over, and tunneled under, is what I have recommended from the beginning.

    Trump opted for a wall that now, we see, will never be completed, and even if somehow it were, a fixed-barrier 'wall' would be as vulnerable as ever, as I already indicated.

    In my opinion, the reason that the West Bank Wall in Israel is effective is partly a matter of logistics, and the motivations of invaders. It is 440 miles long, but because the main motivation of invaders is simply killing Israeli citizens, the incursions occur almost entirely along areas where there is some density in Israeli populations. The Palestinian terrorists who invade Israel don't do it to get on a permanent Israeli 'welfare teat' -- they do it to disrupt Israel and kill people!

    By contrast, the 'migrant' invasions we experience in the U. S. are motivated simply to get into our "land of milk and honey", and getting attached to American welfare systems -- funded by American citizen taxpayers. Nothing complicated about it -- it is essentially the same reason that cockroaches invade a person's kitchen at night. The 'migrants' have understood, clearly, that the Democrat Party welcomes them with open arms, turning away very few, deporting even fewer (and those use the 'revolving door' to return anyway), and 'looking the other way' while they nest themselves into our country, enjoying welfare systems that should be reserved entirely for American citizens.

    This is the first time I can remember that we've ever disagreed on anything, Mike, which is ironic because we really do want the same thing -- a permanent END to illegal immigrants setting foot in the United States of America.
     
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    What you're missing is that if we had an intelligently-run system, NONE of those 'migrants' should have been allowed to set foot on U. S. soil until THEY could provide proof that they WEREN'T infected with COVID or any other communicable disease! The burden should not (NOT) be on the American taxpayer to separate 'the sheep from the goats'.

    And those who crash the border yelling for "Asilo! Asilo!" ("Asylum! Asylum!") should be made to prove that they've been individually targeted for violence and/or death by a foreign government before they're allowed in here, either!
     
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    No credit to your guy, though. Was it up to sleepy Joe, no deportation be happening still.
     

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