Biden Pressured AG to go after Trump, hypocrisy, double standards

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  1. popscott

    popscott Well-Known Member Donor

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    So secret sources are OK, right... Most of all CNN, WaPo, NYT article rely exclusively on "unnamed anonymous secret sources familiar with the issue" and the left jumps all over it as gospel... and any article by any one of them will be referenced by others in a circle jerk journalism circus.
     
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    @kazenatsu

    "If Trump (during the time he was President) had tried putting direct pressure on the DOJ, even by just saying something like this to the AG, the media and Democrats would have totally characterized it as inappropriate, misuse of influence, "compromising the independence of the DOJ", corruption pressuring authorities to go after his political opponent, "fascism"."

    If Trump (during the time he was President) had tried putting direct pressure on the DOJ, even by just doing something like firing a FBI director, the media and Democrats would have totally characterized it as inappropriate..... and a special counsel was immediately appointed...

    And let's not forget.... Trump fired the FBI director after recommendations by Sessions and Rosenstein...
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3711188-Rosenstein-letter-on-Comey-firing.html
    https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/doc...eff-sessions-recommending-the-termination-fbi

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    The secret source doesn’t even allege Biden did anything other than wish to himself. No claim he pressured Garland
     
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    It really does not have to be this complicated..

    Please review the OP and you will realize the error of your ways....


    Biden USAtoday denying

    https://www.westernjournal.com/repo...ecute-trump-stop-acting-like-ponderous-judge/
    Biden WSJ article saying "Currently presiding over the administration, President Joe Biden told close confidants that former President Donald Trump is a 'threat to democracy' and wants Attorney General Merrick Garland’s DOJ to prosecute him, according to two sources who spoke to The New York Times."

    and all because of your sacred unquestionable reporting "according to two sources who spoke to The New York Times." So shirley, you don't question the NYT and their two sources now, do you?
    https://archive.ph/M3kaU
    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/02/...nd-biden-trump.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

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    What difference do the facts make to The Following? They have to keep accusing him of something with Trump soon facing a 4th indictment.
     
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    He’s allowed to want things.
     
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    Where is Kevin bacon when we need him?
     
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    Turnabout is fair play.
    Enjoy!

    I’ll pray for you!!! (Not really, but since we are doing the passive aggressive southern insults) And I am very blessed, to have the integrity to not be a Republican. Thanks for noticing
     
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    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So I proved your claim wrong, and you responded with a non sequitur and you consider that to be "turnabout"?

    Strange logic.
     
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    trump pushed to have both Hillary and Biden investigated. Whether that was on the campaign trail is immaterial.
     
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    The thing is the Democrats are nothing but the Borg Collective. Biden doesn't need to direct the DOJ or anyone else to go after Trump because they are all part of the same Collective and all parts of that Collective already know what their responsibilities are.
     
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    Well....at least you are on topic this time, that is progress I suppose.

    How exactly does a candidate for President "push" to have someone investigated when they do not hold office?

    They dont, because they lack that ability. I think the word you may be searching for is "threatened", rather than "pushed". I realize that you are trying to fit this square peg into the round hole of your earlier statement that was wrong in the hopes to make it right, but the meaning of words actually matters.

    Are you confused as to the difference between campaigning vs. governing?
     
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    You should try it sometimes

    Would you like for me to post the definition of the word pushed? It doesn’t require legal authority to push from something. But you know what they say about people that start screaming semantics.

    The DOJ and Biden have both said that Biden has “pushed” them to do anything through legal avenues. So if it will make you feel better you can say he is just “threatening” it. Really just recommending it.

    It’s campaigning and not governing!
    Tada!
     
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    I love how you are trying to sneak Biden into this. He was not a part of this conversation. Moving the goalpost is not typically the domain of someone with a strong argument is it?

    For that matter, and since you insist upon going the semantics route, you also snuck in the word "push". Your actual statement was "are you saying trump didn’t try and get Hillary? Ah, revisionist history, I see".


    Tough to "get" someone via the justice department while campaigning and do not hold office eh?
     
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    Bro, scroll to the top of your page and see what the very first word of the title is.

    it’s BiDEN

    I didn’t bring him up, he is the original topic. And it’s strange you were just complementing me for staying on topic while you don’t even know what the topic is!

    Brilliant!

    trump was vocal against Hillary being locked up. Just like he is vocal against Biden being locked up. You are just mad that there is actual evidence against your guy and he failed in yet another campaign promise.
     
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    You and I were not discussing the OP. We were discussing YOUR statement of "are you saying trump didn’t try and get Hillary? Ah, revisionist history, I see".

    Yeesh.

    You do realize that tangential conversations often arise in a thread do you not? Our conversation had not one thing to do with Biden. It was solely about your statement, that oh by the way, did not mention Biden. Our argument was not whether Trump tried to "get" Biden. It was about whether he tried to"get" HIllary.

    Why was it about Hillary and not about Biden? Because it was a response to your statement "are you saying trump didn’t try and get Hillary? Ah, revisionist history, I see".

    If in fact Biden was included, I would not have argued against that because the Biden inquiry about Ukraine was while Trump was President. The stuff about Hillary was while he was campaigning, which would be a time he would have no ability to "get" Hillary.

    I am not sure how to explain this any more plainly.
     
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    You are exposing your narrative quite plainly.

    You simply didn’t have an issue when it was your man but you have an issues when it’s democrats

    No further clarification is required.
     
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    No, I only had an issue when you falsely claimed that Trump tried to "get" Hillary when he did no such thing as evidenced by the link I provided that clearly showed in November of 2016 after winning the eelection but before taking office he said he was not going to pursue anything against Hillary. You should be thanking me for educating you because you claerly were not aware of that but now you are.

    That is the sum total of this conversation. Nothing more, and nothing less. You just dont like being proven wrong, so you have had a verbal tantrum and done everything in your power to pretend like this conversation is about everything BUT what it was actually about, and the reason that you are doing that is an attempt to distract from the reality that you were proven 100%, incontrovertibly wrong.

    You thought that trump tried to use his Justice Department to "get" Hillary, and thanks to me, now you know that he did not.

    No further explanation is necessary.
     
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    Who are the referenced "Many democrat[ic] supporters"?

    The allegations in the FD-1023 document were reviewed by Trump's FBI, under then-Attorney General William Barr, which dropped the investigation after concluding the allegations were not supported by facts.
    [https://www.newsweek.com/everything-we-know-about-joe-bidens-5-million-bribe-allegations-1807068]

     
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    Thanks for your opinion
     
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    That is called Just Doing Their Jobs given that your Grifter-in-Chief actually is a corrupt fascist.
     
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    And your St Felonious of Shysterville never allowed an untruth to pass his lips?

    Methinks thou hast no medium that alleges to the veracity of thine utterance above?
     
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    Biden sharing his THOUGHTS does NOT equate to him TELLING the AG to DO something.
     
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    It's quite obvious what the Biden Justice Department and the Democrat Party have planned. Trump is going to have to appear in court so much that he won't be able to campaign. It will be as if he is in jail without incarceration.

    I don't like Trump, but the justice system should not be used to determine political races. It sets a very bad precedent.
     
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    Biden beat the TRIPLE INDICTEE by spending the majority of his campaign in his basement.
     

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