Big Bang ushers in the heavens and the earth...?

Yes, "the Ego is nothing more than thought from memory,"...

That memory is ancient and long grounded in its thinking, too.
It joins with the other "angels" or messenger sources that fill us up mentally, and often manage to sit in the seat of our behaviors which act upon them.
Those behaviors are the evils we need control with the good shepherd called Conscience.
It comes from a source well beyond us and our conscious mind

 

Right,...
What is startling to me is that the same people who attack the Bible about God ideas refuse to acknowledge this Copenhagen idea as supportive for the idea of a First Cause, rather now supported by a Science which started using the First Cause as a mere Axiom.
Rather strange.

They start with an Axiom, and end proving it does exist.

 

It doesn't matter to me which is taught.

 

The issue seems to be against Religion in the classroom.
So, it seems reasonable that Science teachers could avoid Religion, but point out that Copenhagen Interpretation supports an Observer existing BEFORE the universe formed.
That would satisfy religious people, too, since it eliminates this anti-religion feeling they have against science people.

 

Photons are particles. They are not waves, but they are capable of producing wavelike effects.

Wave theory predicts that the energy of waves always increases as the wavelength decreases. This is markedly true for wavelengths going from about 40 microns to 10 microns, but it it plummets to zero when going from 10 microns to 3 microns. Therefore photons are not waves.

If detectors are located on the screen in the double slit experiment where photons are sent one at a time toward the slits, the pattern on the screen is one of random dots at first. The dots form a pattern of bands only after a great many photons have been sent. Thus the idea that the bands are formed because of wave interference is a false assumption.

The bands are a product of probability distribution. Light going past obstacles is mildly dispersed. A 10-micron pinhole produces a spread of about 8 degrees. Light is affected by gravity as proven by Einstein’s general theory of relativity, suggesting that it is a form of matter [even though photons have no mass].

Ref: Quantum Gods, by Victor J. Stenger, @2009.

Thus there is no such process as “collapsing the waveform.”

The ref seems to have a bit more to offer than what I’ve seen so far elsewhere. I have taken a stab at this rather than search posts to find the acclaimed explanation. Turf minders here will undoubtedly set me straight if I’m off track.

The Creator/God is not behind door No. 1, the Copenhagen Interpretation. He is behind door No. 2, consciousness/digital process sponsoring our reality playpen.

 

The pursuit of the nitty gritty behind our reality continues, but it just keeps making fools of us. The weirdness of QM is said to be a result of the boundary between the physical and the nonphysical. We're supposed to get our heads straight while staying in this reality. Woo Woo territory is intentionally wacky so that we can't get comfortable trying to master the twilight zone.

 

Photons are like bullets of energy, but they also appear to be waves, too.

THAT is the problem which Copenhagen answered for us, because they sometimes seem to be waves and other times appear to be bullets.

Copenhagen said Obsrvation of the bullet or the wave is what makes it act that way or the other.

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But we KNOW that Fantasy Worlds are for the crazy people, but to live in Reality is sanity.

 

1) The "Observer" was the Creator of what we now call Reality.
2) Our Conscious Mind is a digital way of working, one which constructs Truth inside our heads, and reveals what Reality actually is.

This is The Trinity concept.

 

The counter claim is that if information about the photons' "choice" of behavior obtained by non-sentient observation (detection/measurement) is erased at any time before the recording of the pattern is reviewed, the record shows the photons having defaulted back to the random probability distribution ("wave interference") pattern. If the information is not erased, the recording of the pattern when reviewed shows the twin beam pattern.

The exact whereabouts of photons even in retrospect becomes non-chance/factual only when the record is registered as part of reality. Prior to that it is uncertain, even in retrospect. The logical conclusion is that consistency in our reality is being maintained by a digital system administrator.

At the Big Bang level, I'm willing to let the Creator do his thing without us specifying how he must do it.

 

You know until I looked at the link you provided I had forgotten all about Sheldrakes claims which he has never presented even the tiniest bit of viable evidence to support them.

Morphic resonance is not accepted by the scientific community as a real phenomenon and Sheldrake's proposals relating to it have been characterized as pseudoscience. Critics cite a lack of evidence for morphic resonance and an inconsistency of the idea with data from genetics and embryology, and also express concern that popular attention from Sheldrake's books and public appearances undermines the public's understanding of science.[a]

Despite the negative reception Sheldrake's ideas have received from the scientific community, they have found support in the New Age movement,[26] such as from Deepak Chopra.[27][28] Sheldrake argues that science should incorporate alternative medicine, psychic phenomena, and a greater focus on holistic thinking.

From WIKI.

The problem with Sheldrakes claims is they are neither backed by evidence nor does he use any logic or science to create them.

Sheldrakes claims are akin to a person saying that because the SUN displayes the same colors visually that we see when wood is burned in a fire that the SUN must be a giant ball of burning wood or other material that burns red, orange and yellow.....even though eventually some one shows him that a Gas Torch can burn blue...or determine that the SUN is a ball of primarily Hydrogen that through Thermonuclear Fusion appears that way.

AboveAlpha

 

Wave function gets real in quantum experiment
http://www.newscientist.com/article...-real-in-quantum-experiment.html#.VNJXsNX3-iy

 

At the end they admit that there are some issues that could upset the apple cart.

 

After looking at the entire presentation, about 1 hr and 11 minutes long, I don't get the same impression. He has loads of examples for indirect evidence. If none of them are published, then there is no officially recognizable evidence.

He claims that data from genetics and embryology does not satisfactorily account for all degrees of morphological variations, and has miserably failed to do so for the last 70 years. What good is "inconsistency with the idea"? If science wants to claim that he is wrong, it should get down to the nitty gritty instead of making vague sweeping proclamations.

I think he is right. Science should get off its high horse and address these problem areas. There are ways of scientifically tabulating and analyzing such phenomena.

Morphic resonance is inferred to explain aspects that science can't account for. As indicated in the presentation, science insists on offering a blank check.

If any of his elaborations on many variations of abilities transferred between rat generations hold water, then your sun/fire/fuel source analogy is a gross misfire.

What he offers is just a hypothesis and one that should encourage earnest investigative effort. Instead, most of the reaction across the board includes disdain, ridicule, and obfuscation. He has done an excellent job of showing that science is still plagued by prejudice, bias, opiniation, and cultural taboos. There is way too much pressure involving fear of damage to reputation and career.

 

We seem to be saying the same thing, with you using biblical terminology and me modern secular.

 

I think Sheldrake is much more learned and more intelligent than you are sir. The fact that academia rejects what Sheldrake has come up with has much to do with academia, in the biological sciences being grounded firmly in materialism

Sheldrake would need funding to continue any research in regards to his ideas, and you will not get that from a materialistic academia, at least currently. Sheldrake isn't alone in the way he thinks, Lipton is agreeable, as well as others.

I have seen Sheldrake "show up" enough intelligent materialists to know he would leave your own intellect in ruins. He has gone up against the best of them, and he cannot be pinned down, nor shown to be weak in his arguments. He is a very bright and astute scientist, plus he has the advantage of being a scholar in the history of science, and understands what many scientists don't, since science is so specialized today.

That Deepak dude sought out Sheldrake, not vice versa. Some of the new age people sought him out as well, not vice versa. Since David Bohm gave Sheldrake credibility with morphic resonance and morphic fields, as they knew one another, and had dialogues, I think I shall take Bohm's side in this, and not yours, if that is ok?

 

Ah, another man besides myself with an open mind. Good show sir!! Materialism really is almost a religious faith. Anything not of it, is scoffed at, discounted, and of course kicked to the curb. As Sheldrake likes to say, they are very good at writing promissory notes...

And Sheldrake should know about academia, and the faults therein, the politics of it.

 

I do agree with you in that the whole psyche is the mind, which in English has been called the Soul.

But we differ in that I see the kingdom with in our mind as reproduced in birth over and again, but always wit a Consciousness hat we believe is the "real us."
It is not.
Consciousness is a State-of-Mind which fills up with these archetypes, one at a time, and tends to be dominated by the Ego, the Self, the Anima, etc as if that archetype is the person, not the whole mind.

 

All you can know is certain Truths about Reality which you use to figure out what Reality actually must be like.

 

The problem is that wWHEN HIS HYPOTHESIS IS INVESTIGATED as he is essentailly saying....THIS HAPPENS.....BECAUSE OF THIS.....but when we break down what is HAPPENING....and use science and logic to do so our findings are.....THIS HAPPENS....BECAUSE OF THAT...NOT THIS!!!

He then after being told of the scientific findings will say....WELL THAT'S BECAUSE SCIENCE CANNOT BE USED TO PROVE THIS HAPPENS...BECAUSE OF THIS!!!

Do you understand how absolutely STUPID such a statement is??

Now I have checked his claims out in DEPTH and I can tell you I kept an OPEN MIND when doing so.

The results of my investigation are.....this guy Sheldrake is simply MAKING UP A CONCEPT ALL ON HIS OWN....without having even the tiniest amount of evidence to support his claims.

And I mean.....NOT ONE FREAKIN' TINY BIT OF EVIDENCE IN ANY POSSIBLE WAY!!!

You mentioned the Rat issue....that does not equate to evidence in any way and if YOU think you see any possible viable evidence in what he claims by all means...PLEASE...post such evidence so I can consider it.

AboveAlpha

 

You have presented nothing. I suggest you read more books on the subject from the experts.

 

I don't seek TRUTHS....I seek FACTS.

AboveAlpha

 

You can think whatever you like but neither you nor Sheldrake nor anyone else can provide any evidence or proof of Sheldrakes claims.

What he has claimed is nothing more than Fantasy.

If YOU or anyone else can provide even the smallest amount of evidence to support his claims please do so as I am not into reading FAIRY TALES.

AboveAlpha

 

Ever notice how many times this member askes others who challenge his claims of fantasy to....SHUT UP?? LOL!!

Hey Prunny!! The Easter Bunny does not exist!!

SHUT UP!!!

Neither does SANTA CLAUS!!

SSSHUT UPPP!!!!

And the TOOTH FAIRY is nothing but Fiction!

I SWEAR IF YOU DON'T STOP TALKING ABOUT MY IMAGINARY GIRLFRIEND THE TOOTH FAIRY I AM GONNA HURT YOU SO.....SSSHUT UP!!! SHUT UP!! SHUT UP!!!

Prunny...dude....take it easy.

JUST SHUT UP!!!

AboveAlpha

 

I have and I have. The experts still have holes and need to connect the
dots with real evidence and not extrapolation with artistic renderings.

 

both you and the other luddite in this thread really have no grasp of science or the progress of science over time. You demand proof and when provided it, you feint to another topic and demand more proof for which you then move to another topic and then repeat, lather and rinse. Evolution is an accepted theory of biodiversity. While we still have gaps in our knowledge of every single unanswered question, the theory itself is sound and has been tested over and over again by thousands of scientists. Demanding perfect knowledge in order to accept theory is an impossible threshold for any theory. The reason I do not even attempt to provide you with a basis for evolution is that it will never, ever shut you up. Debating people like you is like a father answering 100 "why" questions from an 8 year old. At some point, the father just says "because I said so" and ends the silliness. If either of you are so inclined, I strongly suggest you write a thesis or paper and submit them for peer review within the community of scientists that work in this field. >>>MOD EDIT Flamebait Removed<<<