Big Bang ushers in the heavens and the earth...?

Let me just add that the world isn't one big mystery if you don't pay attention to the Bible. There's already one big, widely accepted theory already there and available for you to pick up: the theory of evolution. As well as the long haul version of the creation of the cosmos.

 

So? And if the physical laws could not work, then you just called Bohm stupid!! Unbelievable. You just lost all credibility sir. I hope there are people here, who picked up on this. That you, would basically call Bohm and Hiley stupid, or inferred it. Again, unbelievable.

 

This is what Abovealpha said referenced when he said Bohm's ideas would make the universe unworkable...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gFCj5PPEyw

The speaker is Basil Hiley, a physicist, who in the last few years won a physics award for his work. And this is one of the physicist who worked with Bohm, and the same people basically inferred as being village idiots by the ego that goes by the handle of Abovealpha.

Someone needs to tell Basil that he just nulled and voided the laws of the universe, for his peers will not do that. Abovealpha of course has no qualms about making such tremendous assertions.

Yes, my intent is to throw a light on abovealpha, for some people here actually view that poster as being credible. And such people need to be called out, especially when they appear at first glance to be learned, and credible. When actually such people belong with the true believers in an anthropomorphic god, for both of them live in self created boxes, and those boxes become prisons. And inmates can hardly be given credibility, when they are disconnected from the world outside of that box.

But there are always such people in every crowd, but as long as others understand what they are, then it's all good in the hood. Now, its perfectly fine to have opinions, and AA is of course entitled to his own. But when opinions are beyond the pale, and in fact call notable physicists village idiots, as if the person with that opinion somehow is above such men in intellect, well, those people need to have a bright light shined upon them. For they can mislead others, and easily become the leaders of cults, due to their ignorance. Egos are nefarious things, but sooner or later they slip up. AA slipped up, in a monumental fashion. And revealed a character, that is not interested in an honest dialogue, on a forum. So, educate yourself please, or you will be reeled in by such men. Thank god for the internet and information, for such men cannot endure these days. Their time is past.

 

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The Bible has noted the Theory of Evolution, but this is not the great mystery:

 

Of course men are different from apes, since man has 23 chromosomes and all apes have 24 chromosomes.
Man is an evolution from an ape mother which experienced an Act-of-God inside her womb which caused the mutation that fused two of the ape chromosomes together.

Man is related to the apes, but he is a different species.

 

Oh yeah? What's the great mystery then?

 

Rev.....if anything he wrote were things he could AT THE VERY LEAST EXPLAIN!!!

Or at the very least.....PROVIDE THE TINIEST SHREAD OF EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT SUCH THINGS.....Then I would be one of the first checking such things out.

And what I believe in are things that have EXISTING PHYSICAL OR MATHEMATICAL PROOFS TO BACK OR PROVE THEIR EXISTENCE....or......a few things that a great many...and I will call them.....PATRIOTS....have done their best to SCRUB ALL EVIDENCE OR TAGIBLE PROOF FROM EXISTENCE!!!!

I am not some person who cannot understand that there are MANY THINGS WE DO NOT YET UNDERSTAND that contrary to what others might say or what evidence might be....STILL EXIST!!!

However things like what Sheldrake proposes are not just concepts that currently do not have enough available evidence to justify large expenditures of R&D Money.

These are things THAT WILL NEVER HAVE EXISTING EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT SUCH FUNDING!!!

WHY????

Because what Sheldrake proposes specifically the concept of Morphic Fields.....is just something Sheldrake MADE UP!!!

Think about it.....is there a single thing that Sheldrake details about the supposed existence of Morphic Fields that can be detected? Or Mathematically Postulated?

No.

Not a damn thing.

AboveAlpha

 

AboveAlpha.....I haven't read about Morphic Fields yet but I have gotten the impression from some of your posts that you may be wide open to the possible existence of advanced alien societies.

What do you personally think about their possibly having played a role in human evolution or even in our history?

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...richard-dawkins-ph-d-aliens-seeded-earth.html

Richard Dawkins Ph. D.: "Aliens Seeded Earth?"



I am a Christian who believe that we Christians need to learn how to give our opponents more credit when they truly deserve it.

What Richard Dawkins Ph. D. states in this video....... is really quite brilliant... and in my opinion perhaps far closer to the truth on what scriptures say about the UFO phenomena than what is taught in many churches.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL7CCyuXAS4
Richard Dawkins: Aliens Seeded Earth?



Near death experiencer Christian Andreason adds some fascinating details to this question.

http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

 

They (classical physics, and the systems that they describe) dont work now in some instances (ie can not describe the system).

???? what in the freaking world do you mean by that gem ^ Please please clarify.

definition of QM; The branch of mechanics that deals with the mathematical description of the motion and interaction of subatomic particles, incorporating the concepts of quantization of energy, wave-particle duality, the uncertainty principle, and the correspondence principle.

Wrong! QM explains how the very small, (subatomic) world operates. It does not describe how a macro anything works ! Please tell me what branch of physics in your opinion describes everything in the macro universe (everything bigger than a subatomic particle???

WHAT??? Lol lol.....WRONG!!!

Possibly the only correct thing in the entire reply.

reva

 

ok....as I usually do in such instances when you...One Mind.....attempts to grasp onto the ropes of understanding I leave in my posts.....as usual.....for One Mind I ALWAYS just let out a little more than usual rope for him TO HANG HIMSELF UPON!!! LOL!!!

But....as another member asked me to allow or give One Mind an OPPERTNITY.....to allow One Mind the aOPPERTUNITY to DELEATE what he posted in post 752 and post 753......and instead simply JUST ASK ME.....AboveAlha.....why did you post.....

........If anything was a reality concerning Bohms ideas.....the Physical Laws of our Universe would and could not work!!

Quantum Mechanics does NOT associate at all with Macro Level Celestial Mechanics because Quantum Mechanics involves a LARGER SYSTEM thus a MULTIVERSE.

You can't have Particle/Wave Duality and Frequency using Bohms concepts.....end quote Above Alpha.

This very kind and nice member reminded me that sometimes a person neends to look past the Personal Insults and just concentrate upon what can or cannot be proven as an aspect of REALITY!!!

SO.....ONE MIND....I am offering you up an OLIVE BRANCH......as if you remove post #752 and post #753...and just.....ASK ME.....why I believe what I believe and think what I think and know what I know about many of Bohm's ideas.....and how they DO NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECTS OF QUANTUM MECHANICS....but even WORSE......Bohm's Ideologies can be MATHEMATICALLY DISPROVEN.....if you want to discuss THAT....I will be more than happy to do so and it will NOT be PERSONAL IN ANY WAY.

How about you try it and I will as well?

AboveAlpha

 

There is a LOT I cannot discuss about this particuar topic but I have in the past pointed out several events that happened such as the Massive Washington DC Flyovers by Alien Craft in the early 1950's and again in the early 1960's.

ANYONE can Google THE ACTUAL WASHINGTON NEWSAPAPER HEADLINES AND Special TV Shows dedicated to explaining to the highly alarmed DC and Virginia area populations as such massive Craft Flyovers were seem by THOUSANDS UPON THOSANDS OF AMERICANS.....as in the 1950's Flyovers the U.S. Population thought such Craft performing Flyovers of the most heavily defended Airspace on the Planet was HIGHLY ADVANCED SOVIET AIRCRAFT that our Military Aircraft could neither shoot down nor keep up with.

When American Military Officials told American's that such Advanced Aircraft were NOT SOVIET and were most likely Alien in design...the American Public was actually relieved!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Psst, DennisTate, some of AboveAlpha's best posts about E.T. can be found here: Russia's Government talks about Release of E.T. data.

 

NO....Human's are APES....specifically we are members of the GREAT APE FAMILY along with Gorillas, Chimps, Bonobos and Oragutuns.

We are classified as being an APE!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Rev....of COURSE Quantum Mechanics is specific to the Quantum Micro Level.

Celestial Mechanics exists at the Macro Level.

But Quantum Mechanics and the Math as well dictates to us a MULTIVERSAL SYSTEM IS IN PLAY!!!

AboveAlpha

 

Although we dont agree often I must say I agree. I hold no personal grudges against AA at all. For a long time I was silent, hoping that other members would correct at least the most obvious fabrications, but that did not happen! Even though I prefer not to stir in 'do do' I had to illuminate the biggest error filled claims made by our fellow member, especially when other members began idolizing the worst of AA's invalid uneducated and totally false claims. Maybe AA will begin to do as I attempt to do when making a questionable claim. I vet it with a prefix saying that IN MY OPINION etc etc ~. Maybe AA will pick up on this and do something similar?

reva

 

Yes but you stated otherwise AA. Before we began I want to say I hold no personal animosity towards you. You even remind me of myself back in the day! So please do not take my critiques of your statements as an attack on you personally?

This is a good example. What exactly do you mean by Celestial Mechanics? I am a serious amateur astronomer. I would define the same way wike does; ' Celestial mechanics is the branch of astronomy that deals with the motions of celestial objects'. So when you make such a claim you should source the claim. A more accurate claim would be that quantum gravity (and other quantum experiments) experiments MAY suggest that other universes exist. You may be surprised to know I believe some of the same things you do. One is that I think quantum events effect all objects, not just subatomic plank scale things but macro reality too! However even thought my ideas are backed by science and scientists*

* (most if them PhD scientists).

So to close I will again say that I make sure I do not post my unsupported ideas as fact etc. So again I am not attacking you personally, only (some of) your words and how you deliver them. You actually have some interesting ideas.



God bless this forum~

reva

 

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/cat03.html


6. If humans evolved from apes then why are there still apes?

PBS; "Humans did not evolve from present-day apes. Rather, humans and apes share a common ancestor that gave rise to both. This common ancestor, although not identical to modern apes, was almost certainly more apelike than humanlike in appearance and behavior. At some point -- scientists estimate that between 5 and 8 million years ago -- this species diverged into two distinct lineages, one of which were the hominids, or humanlike species, and the other ultimately evolved into the African great ape species living today.

reva

 

Lol, I suppose I should give the religion unlikers' a bone. Ok here is a chew toy; As per my reply to AA; the following is MY OPINION (lol), but it is an opinion supported by evidences, even if they are circumstantial evidences.

I believe that God be he the Christian God lord Buddha in a space ship or simply an advanced race has periodically tweaked our genetic material (most likely DNA) to produce humans. Also I believe that in Genesis when God breathed the breath of life into man, ie the soul or 'nephesh' it meant man became capable of knowing right from wrong, which set him apart from the rest of the animals, and gave him a soul.

reva

 

AA is a good guy, and I hold no negative feelings towards him. I actually have never met a man in real life that I could not find something to like about him, and AA is no different, if we were to meet. But with that said, he stepped over the line, with his exclamations about Hiley and Bohm, in regards to Bohm's ideas, and work. I mean AA made some tremendous statements in regards to Bohm's work, and of course this includes Hiley as well.

And it is very possible that many of Bohm's ideas about the quantum level will in the future be embraced, for they are legitimate, and are simply an alternative to Bohr's ideas that all at the quantum level cannot be understood, and all that matters is that the equations can be worked, and technological advancements made. I do wish that AA would spend some time listening to a real physicist, Hiley, as there are several you tubes on him, with him explaining his and Bohm's work, which unlike what AA said, would not make the universe of law unworkable. That AA would say such a thing not only baffled me, but upon a bit of thinking became simply incredulous, that AA would make such a statement. I felt like I had entered into the twighlight zone, actually. I still cannot quite believe he said what he did, but perhaps he really has not studied it in depth quite enough? I am not sure. Hopefully though, he will take a hour or so, and listen to Hiley, EXPLAIN, their position, and only a knowledge of high school physics is needed in order to grasp it. I am not going to argue their case, for that was not my major at university, as I was in physical anthropology, but after a degree in that, got another one in banking and finance, in order to make a living. LOL. I have always been interested in QM though, and well as the area of consciousness studies, and of course anthropology. And not to forget religion, which has always fascinated me, which is tied back into anthropology and consciousness studies.

 

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