You can start with the poster proving Graves is in error, making him a liar or just sloppy: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=439757&page=9&p=1066027381#post1066027381
I already discussed this with Vekimekim recently (although I can't find the post, was the thread deleted?). Darwin's overall views of race and intelligence in The Descent of Man are somewhat unclear. I emailed Graves about this. He hasn't replied yet. This is the email I sent. If he replied we'll see what he has to say. Can you make a list of lies Graves supposedly told or is this all you've got?
It's racist to exclude someone based on race. Your quote talks about people with racial dating preferences. I wonder what the statistics show for how likely more beautiful and intelligent White women are to have racial dating preferences.
Rayznack, I haven't looked in to this issue in depth yet however I'm going to make a prediction. Studies probably find that more highly educated daters tend to be liberal and liberals are less likely to have racial dating preferences. So while more attractive and educated White women who have racial dating preferences are more likely to exclude Black men most likely those women are also more likely to be conservative. The attractive and educated White women who are dating Black men are more likely to be liberal in my estimation. I will do the research to see whether or not the data supports my prediction.
I find it funny Whites are less attractive to Blacks the more attractive and educated they are. Your argument that excluding Blacks for dating is racist is as logical as claiming heterosexual males are homophobic for excluding males. I'm also curious how you've established a correlation between attractiveness and liberalism. But get back to us on your findings. I'm sure we'll hear from you soon.
- - - Updated - - - One Black parent and one White Parent will have a Black child. So how is he screwing up his heritage?
And what is so ironic about the Southern attitudes, is that I bet there are lots more Whites in the South with Black blood. That is due to many light skinned Blacks "passing" as White and marrying/having children with Whites. My Dad had a cousin who did that. She married a White man and lived as a White woman.
That doesn't make any sense and what is that based on? Your quote states that White women who are more attractive and educated are more likely to exclude Black men from their dating preferences not that such women are less desirable to Black men. That is hilarious and ridiculous. Racism is a perfectly plausible explanation for why Whites would exclude Blacks from dating preference. You could also say that lack of physical attraction is a variable but if my prediction is correct and conservatives are more likely than liberals to exclude Blacks from their dating preference then most likely racism is a major variable in their motivations for this attitude. Compare that to heterosexual males being homophobic for excluding males. Heterosexuals by definition are attracted to the opposite sex. While they could be homophobic not being sexually interested in a man is motivated by natural preference. This is not a legitimate comparison. Being White doesn't mean you are naturally only attracted to White people. I didn't. I said that I would be willing to bet that the more attractive and educated White women who are open to dating Black men are more likely to be liberal. I've done the research and my prediction has been confirmed! White women who are conservative are more likely to state a same-race dating preference than liberals. Since conservatives are more likely to be racist than liberals I think it's pretty clearly that racial prejudice is a strong motivation for White women with racial dating preferences to reject Black men.
I had a White friend many years ago who talked about racial stuff with me very openly. She told me once that White men will not have a serious relationship with a White woman who has been with a Black man. They will have sex with them, but they won't marry them. Is this true? Or was it just true for the White men that she knew?
I don't think there are any statistics on that. Since I'm not White I can't be privy to private conversations of this nature. But personally I think that any White man who holds that attitude is a racist. The question is how common is the attitude? In my experience it has become evident that White Supremacists are intimidated by Black male masculinity. Interracial relationships especially Black men with White women angers them. A Google Search for "I hate seeing black men with white women" has around 4.4 Million results! Some of the top links involve Black women who don't like seeing Black men with White women but a lot of the results are for White Supremacists. So the attitude is clearly there. If millions of people are thinking about this topic then there is probably some element of truth to what your friend said. But I'd wager that it's more common among conservative White men than liberals.
Maybe you should try this thing called reading. You didn't say racism influenced whites to view blacks as unattractive; you said viewing blacks as unattractive, or excluding them as dates, is de facto racism.
I said that excluding Blacks as dates was racist. I didn't say that viewing them as unattractive was racist. I believe that racism is a major but not necessarily sole motivation for the statistics you quoted.
So is a heterosexual male homophobic for excluding males? And if you don't view Blacks as attractive - as most races don't - why would you include them in a dating profile?
No and obviously that isn't remotely the same. Oh is that a fact? Do you have statistics to back that up? If you don't find someone attractive even because of their aesthetics ("racial features") then that is a visual preference, not racism. However I don't believe that most White women who reject Black men do it because of aesthetics. I don't believe it is a coincidence that most of the White women who reject Black men adhere to a political ideology whose advocates often have racist attitudes. It would be interesting if there was a survey that directly asked questions about why they don't like Black men so we could get some more reliable data but I think it is obvious that the answer for most is racism. How would you dispute this? Maybe you're going to claim that conservatives for some reason are more likely to have racial aesthetic preferences than liberals?
It's always amusing to watch the unbalanced rant about balance... [video=youtube;PVrEwCa8nSA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVrEwCa8nSA[/video]
I have received warnings from the mods for saying things less offensive things to a poster than "ignorant". He has a right to his opinions without being called "ignorant white racist", Getting words mixed up is an honest mistake that I make all the time. Let those without mistakes cast the first insult.
Wheras I just want a dog I can love and who loves me. Those crosses are just as good at doing that. I'm supposedly one of the 'racists' here but I have nothing against 'race mixing'
It's not obvious why it isn't remotely the same. Blacks are viewed as unattractive by most races, so why would they want to date them? http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/race-attraction-2009-2014/ Race and Attraction, 2009 – 2014 « ...
If one is a member of a race they are proud of, one that they think is beautiful....why have they found it necessacery to mount public relation campaigns to convince themselves that black is beautiful etc. One of the biggest contributors to the socio-pathic nature of the black community is a failed leadership...essentially race baiters. The best advice for blacks...do not try and be something you are not....concentrate on your family, your church and be willing to work very hard to help your children.....the best advice for young Negroes....get a skill...do not waste your time in the academic arena....get a skill or some kind of training where you can make a living and support your family.
That is data on racial preference not physical attraction. You have not established that most people of different races find Blacks to be unattractive. There can be different motivations for dating preference. I've already stated that preference based on physical attraction is not racist. The difference between claiming a heterosexual man is homophobic for rejecting a man as a romantic partner and a person of a different race being racist for rejecting a person of another race as a romantic partner is that in some cases the motivation can indeed be racist. In all cases with heterosexual men other men are not what they are sexually attracted to so it isn't homophobic for a straight man to not want to engage in homosexual behavior.
I'm impressed with inability to use basic reasoning. You have already said excluding blacks is de facto racism. You now appear to not understand the contradiction in your argument. I don't think any amount of time spent on discussion will clarify this issue for you. The facts show all races except blacks exclude blacks. Many races prefer Asian women over women of their own race, which torpedoes your claim racism is a major factor for excluding blacks. Other dating profile studies show black women are least likely to get responses from white males while Middle Eastern women are most likely. All these data converge to the same conclusion that blacks are least desirable to all non-black races.
You haven't established that the reason is because of physical attractiveness. Show some statistics on that and you will have proven your point. I'm sure that you like this sort of data because you are a racist but the fact is I have shown that conservatives, who are more likely to be racist, are more likely to exclude Blacks in their dating preferences than liberals. There is clearly a racist element to these statistics. Oh, and check this out.... [video=youtube;KlUB2IcaH_k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlUB2IcaH_k[/video] [video=youtube;mmlTByKgX6w]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmlTByKgX6w[/video] [video=youtube;pBY2KfM4FCg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBY2KfM4FCg[/video]
