Black man dies after video shows officer kneeling on neck

They do all the time. And they are accidentally killed. Who the hell would resist arrest? If you comply, go the station, and politely get your lawyer and defeat the case. Innocent until proven guilty.

If someone is doing nothing wrong, why would they need to resist an arrest? I find that so odd.

Do you disagree? Do you think resisting arrest is safe?

 

Which is true, the physical force used was because he resisted arrest are you disputing that? The issue here is AFTER he was restrained, why did the officer keep that force on his neck even after he apparently passed out.

 

Nope. You have caused the situation to be out of control. And while you don't deserve to die, you could die.

And you can't be any poorer than dead.

 

They weren't murdered, now concentrate on this which appears to be an unlawful homicide.

 

Suspects on drugs don't feel pain, and you simply don't the chance. He is still able to bite. He's still able to kick.

One kick to the groin and you're down to one officer who may not be able to physically subdue a guy much heavier and on drugs.

And God help them if the guy was able to reach someone else in the crowd. The city would be sued for millions.

 

I do not agree that the only Force capable of keeping him restrained was knee to the neck

 

Well they used to teach the old baton to the knee cap trick but people complained about that, too.

You won't find a peaceful way to subdue someone who doesn't want to be subdued. Its just not realistic and doesn't happen in the real world.

Try arresting someone on parole. They'll kill you to not cuff up because they're well aware they're going to jail for a long, long time.

 

I wonder that also. We'll probably never get to see it though because the conservative would have enough common sense not to resist in the first place

 

That might have been an error, but again, it was likely a difficult situation. You try being in that situation and figure out a better way on the spot.

 

And the knee to the neck cutting off his breathing was getting him into the car? Cuff him, ankle cuff him throw him in the back. Call the wagon to come get him. TASE him. It was VERY apparent the man was in physical distress. Hopefully there will be a video giving a view of what was going on to the right of the offending officer, what were they doing during that entire at least 7 minutes and once they had him on his stomach and cuffed why the knee to the throat?

 

You have a guy handcuffed, and the only way for 2 police officers to "subdue" him is with a knee on his windpipe ?

 

My daughter knows not the fight with the police And resist arrest

 

is there a particular reason the AP had to make sure we knew the races of the people involved? They made race the 1st word in their headline and the second word of their story. They sure must think race is important and not the actions of the people involved.

I remember when the left followed obama's and Clinton's lead and went on to hate cops. When the cop haters like BLM started ambushing and murdering them, none of the stories started out by mentioning race, if they ever mentioned it at all.

 

AS I SAID, the problem came after they physically restrained him which was necessary. Why was the knee kept on the throat for those at least 7 minutes. That they had to use physical force to begin with is not the issue.

 

It Changes the narrative that than mainstream media is going to try to float

 

I feel very confident that his death is a result of the knee on his neck as seen in the video. It certainly wasn't the flu.

 

No, they were way past putting him in the car at that point. You get one chance and if you're not going to comply, well, it usually doesn't go well for you.

And again, the knee on the neck is taught nationwide. Officers are taught how to execute the move properly in order to not kill someone. Like I said, thousands of people get put in this same position every year and walk away just fine.

If I had to guess, I'd say he either had an underlying medical condition, or he was on drugs.

He wasnt coughing so it wasn't his airway, it was his blood supply. He performed the move correctly, but then took it too far.

So like I said, manslaughter.

 

But once he was physically restrained, cuffed and on the ground on his stomach..................

 

The drugs might have played some part as well, further constricting his airways.

 

I will be curious to see what the autopsy says about the nose bleeding. Can't tell from the video was it scrapes on the outside or from the inside due to trauma.

 

Was he coughing?

So the knee wasn't on his windpipe. LEOs aren't trained to cut off peoples air supply.

That wasn't the only way to subdue him (they could have maced him then beat him with batons), but the safest way to detain him.

 

That's when you put your knee on their neck...

To control the head. The body can't leave the ground if the head doesn't.

If you're somewhere with no backup, youre not going to be able to hold someone on their back for long. Stamina is a thing.

So... the easiest and safest way for an officer to detain someone who doesn't want to be detained? Put your knee into their neck.

And by the way, you aren't actually shoving your kneecap into their neck, youre resting the inner part of your thigh on their shoulder blade. Your knee just controls their head.

 

That was hard to watch. I'm not a LEO and wasn't there. But in my experience along the course of a fairly long life, when someone says they can't breathe, you take it as gospel. It's a no brainer. And everyones body is different. A position that is not a problem for one person, may be deadly for another depending on how they are built. Just watching the mans size and position of his head and neck with the Officers knee on his neck, it was clear to me that he could very well be in serious distress. Even the onlookers knew and said as much. The Officers ignored them too. Disturbing and heartbreaking.

 

AP is certainly not pushing the race angle in the article
Mentions of the word black 12
Mentions of the word white 6
anyway enough of that part of the commentary.

Based on a brief look at the video it looks like they went beyond accepted limits to stay on top of him after he was cuffed and restrained, IMO charges should be brought.

 

We don't see how he performed the move, we see after it apparently went to far for too long.

As I said, he was on the ground and cuffed at that point. He wasn't going anywhere nor could he continue to fight and he was pleading that he would not. They could have sat him on the ground at that point. If police are being taught to do what this officer did, watch how his foot sometimes lifts from the ground indicating full weight being applied they need to, STOP. This isn't like the Michael Gardner case where it was a lawful takedown from behind and because Gardner kept resisting the back of the officers hand slipped up to his throat for maybe 3 seconds. This was a long continued knee to the throat even when it was apparent the suspect was in respiratory distress.