Bleak Prospects for the GOP

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  1. Bluesguy

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    The only thing Clinton cared about Vietnam and the military was to get out of it. But no matter his intelligence he remains the sleaziest most reprehensible man to serve in the office and mistreat the honor of doing so.
     
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    The key Republican policies are cut taxes and increase spending and the end result is that the national debt increases. And Trump is doing that on a massive scale.
     
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    Nope cut tax rates and increase tax revenues and restrain government spending increases. They did. Worked to help create surpluses in the late 1990's and create the measly $161B deficit in 2007. What did Democrat policies do? Give us a $1,400B deficit in 2009 and over a $1,000B for the next three years and the worst recovery in modern history.
     
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    You can only find a couple of years where the tax cuts worked in the short term but you cannot debate that the Republican tax cut coupled with their spending increases have vastly increased the national debt. What the Republicans basically do is make the rich richer by robbing the future generations. And Trump has just done thst bigly.
     
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    No I gave you some good years and yes I can argue that the Republican tax rate cuts did not vastly increase the national debt as I just did, the vast increase in the deficits and resulting debt were Democrat budget and spending. Refute it your numbers.
     
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    He wasnt lucky enough to have bone Spurs! Lol People who have few principles cannot comprehend that there are those who have principles. Always see an ulterior motive The Vietnam war was immoral and wrong....! I bet you think black people who sat at white lunch counters were just hungry.
    I really find something quite humorous about you saying that Clinton was the sleaziest when you have a man who the entire world sees as despicable. I hope you don’t raise your children to see him as a role model
     
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    I wish the desperate would drop their ineffectually reverting to presidential sluts of bygone days as if that avoidance of the squalid present might ever succeed.

    Yes, Warren G Harding had a mistress, but disinterring the putrified paillard does not impact Trump's plight.
     
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    Oh wow..nothing like a 60 year old man going into teenage girls locker room and bragging about it. And of course having an affair with a porn star while his wife just had his son is just bygone days. Trading wives like baseball cards is just nothing. But Clinton having sex? Impeachment because he lied about it! I guess you don’t see the hypocrisy. You probably see the neo nazis the way he does...some good people. We just have different values
     
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    Clinton and Harding are irrelevant. Even Trump's exemplary behaviour that wins the fierce allegiance of evangelicals is not the issue.

    It's about Trump's illegally paying hush money during a political campaign.
     
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    When did paying hush money become illegal?
     
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    Paying someone not to disclose information that would damage a political campaign qualifies as an “in-kind contribution” to that campaign under federal law.

    If Cohen paid the hush money to Daniels in October, 2016 with the intention of aiding Trump’s campaign, that would constitute an undisclosed and illegal donation to the campaign. And if he “facilitated” that donation in his official role with the Trump Organization, then the Trump Organization illegally facilitated the illegal donation. (During the negotiation, Daniels' attorney exchanged correspondence with Cohen in his capacity at the Trump Organization and as “Special Counsel to Donald J. Trump.” )

    Cohen’s story, after the hush money payment was exposed, is that he made a payment to the porn star who had admitted to an affair with the Republican nominee entirely on his own initiative, and without any intention of aiding Donald Trump’s campaign.

    Few find that tale credible.

    The Trump Justice Department Special Counsel can extend his investigation of other corruption matters in concert with the Federal Elections Commission.
     
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    And you are pointing to Clinton for principles!!!! And yes he was the sleazist guy to ever serve in the office even more than Trump.
     
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    Your the one who seems to think Trump excuses Clinton not the other way around.

    Can you tell me when Trump use his government position to trade sex for favors and special treatment with subordinate governenment employees and threaten those who did not comply? Can you show me where he used government resources to facilitate that. Can you show me where he denied a subordinate single mother he rightful promotion and raise in order to give the job to a mistress? Can you show me where he had a subordinate government employee brought up to a hotel room while on the job where he sexually assaulted her and threatened her she said anything about it?

    Can you show me where he set up a young 21 years old intern for a term in a federal prison in order to cover his arse in a federal lawsuit by that former subordinate employee and was plotting to through her under the bus if she did not go along with his felony scheme?
    And I could go in and on about him. I've never presented Trump as the epitiome of virtue and didnt vote for him because I dint like him personnally. But for Demkcrats tk go after him for private affairs when they gave Clinton a pass is utter bold faced hypocracy.
     
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    Trump Inc. was not the campaign and Cohen was not part of the campaign.

    Tell me what is it you want to happen here?
     
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    Thanks. Politics is humanity at its worst and the laws try to reign in the corruption from a corrupt system. I guess Stormy will get her book.
     
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    Half of what you’re saying is baloney but I’m sure you believe it. Trump brags about his immorality and that’s fine,
    There is one difference and you call us hypocrites. You are the ones who prides yourselves on being morally superior, who call yourselves the family values people.
    Yes, Clinton had to use his position to get lewinsky...poor guy couldn’t get a woman...even though she as she bragged it was her goal to get him.
    By the way, I don’t believe for a second that you didn’t vote for Trump but of course I could be wrong
     
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    What can be Sleazier than a man who brags about grabbing women’s *******? What can be sleazier than a man who treats in his wives while cheating on them? What could be sleazier than a man who goes into teenagers locker room because he can and brags about it on the radio. What can be sleazier than a man who thinks neo nazis are good people
    Speaking of sleaze look at his apartments and how garish and tasteless they are..
     
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    During the Clinton administration people expressed disgust with his sexual behavior which they said disgraced his office. When did our value system change?
     
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    A man who does it to women who DON'T LET THEM and who are subordinate employees of their's especially in a government office, on the job and then threatening them if they tell anyone. Don't you think that is just a little bit worse?
     
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    Really what and be specific in your rebuttal of the facts.

    To make it easier on you here it is again

    Can you tell me when Trump use his government position to trade sex for favors and special treatment with subordinate governenment employees and threaten those who did not comply? Can you show me where he used government resources to facilitate that. Can you show me where he denied a subordinate single mother he rightful promotion and raise in order to give the job to a mistress? Can you show me where he had a subordinate government employee brought up to a hotel room while on the job where he sexually assaulted her and threatened her she said anything about it?

    Can you show me where he set up a young 21 years old intern for a term in a federal prison in order to cover his arse in a federal lawsuit by that former subordinate employee and was plotting to through her under the bus if she did not go along with his felony scheme?
    And I could go in and on about him. I've never presented Trump as the epitome of virtue and didnt vote for him because I don't like him personally. But for Democrats to go after him for private affairs when they gave Clinton a pass is utter bold faced hypocracy.

    There is not ONE false statement in those two paragraphs.

    Trump doesn't even come close to Clinton especially in sexual harassment and abuse of power let alone the felonies he committed in a federal court and federal grand jury.
     
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    Well I don't think it has for the conservatives but it certainly has for the liberals who defend Clinton and worship Clinton to this day. The question is what do you assert should be done about Trump? He's being embarrassed to some extent. What else is it that should happen?
     
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    I don't think anything should be done. I am saying that someone who behaved as Trump did would not have been elected in the past. For example if it was known before 1960 that Kennedy had as many mistresses as he did he would never have been nominated.

    Its true that democrats gave Clinton a bye as Republicans do Trump now. My point is that Republicans used to argue that this was behavior is wrong. Now they do not.
     
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    Lol...When you were president of the United States everyone is a subordinate employee who works for you. Are you really saying Monica Lewinsky did not let him? She admits she went after him....as so many probably did
    And there was no threatening them if they tell anyone. Maybe he offered them $130,000 oh wait that was the wrong person. No I cannot think that a man who goes into the locker room with teenage girls just because he can and brags about it is worse. I think a man who brags that he grabs women by their genitals against their will is worse. I think after all this bragging and women came forward and he said they lied is worse. I think both the behaviors were wrong but the differences you hold yourself morally superior
     
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    They should find out how many women can blackmail him and where the hush money came from
     
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