BREAKING: Bolton to Claim Trump Held Up Ukraine Military Aid Over Biden Investigations

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  1. WillReadmore

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    They DID. They subpoeaed a number of witnesses.

    Trump demanded that these witnesses defy the subpoenas.

    Beyond that, trials have witnesses. And, this is a trial.

    Today, Republicans are saying that key witnesses weren't called.

    THEN they say that they won't allow key witnesses to be called.

    These are our representatives saying this kind of crap!

    The obstruction of justice by Trump is one of the articles of impeachment, by the way. So, his acts in defying congress are first person EVIDENCE we have ALL seen over and over and over again.
     
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    The senate is the Judge, have you ever heard of a judge calling a witness? Bottom line the BS that we didn't have time to call them but you should is dumber than dumb. Bottom line the House f'd up by rushing and now are calling fowl for running a sham because they impeached the President without letting the COURT decide if certain witnesses violated his PRESIDENTIAL RIGHTS. You don't get to go around the courts, every citizen knows this deep down but the partisan hacks sure want to play KINGS.
     
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    Just like Biden didn't want witnesses during the Clinton impeachment. Your party had 17 witnesses in the House vs. 0 GOP ones. Why didn't they call for Bolton to testify in the House? Why won't Schiff allow the WB to testify, and why isn't he revealing the Atkinson IG report? Why were the witnesses the GOP wanted in the House denied to them?

    LOL, you don't impeach a POTUS for using his Exec Priv rights. Congress isn't above the law. According to the President's defense, the subpoenas were illegal because they were made before the House voted for impeachment, when they finally did they didn't retroactively OK the prior subpoenas. Heck, George Washington ignored a House subpoena.

    Give it up, this farce will be over tomorrow.
     
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    The whistleblower is off limits BY US LAW on federal whistleblowers. Moaning about that is not a good reflection on YOU.

    People have been able to ask questions of Schiff on the Senate floor for days.

    There is no evidence that Bidens have been involved in any illegal activity. There are no meaningful questions to ask of them regarding the impeachment issues. This is no more than Republicans trying to turn this into a circus by continuing to try to smear a presidential candidate.

    If there were something illegal about the Bidens, Barr could have investigated any time he wanted to. In fact, he tried hard to do that - and FAILED.
     
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    Yes, judges don't usually call witnesses.

    However, the Trump defense team is free to call witnesses.

    That's what the House has been demanding!
     
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    /facepalm

    That's not obstruction and has been debated. They merely had to reissue the subpoenas to which they refused because of their christmas deadline. You should really get caught up.
     
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    How is the whistleblower off limits? Do you understand how the law actually works? I'm not intentionally being derogatory, however everyone knows that the whistleblower identity is not protected, only reprisal.
     
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    That must be the same lair where Trump is hiding the witnesses and documents while at the same time claiming he has nothing to hide.
     
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    Ukrainegate has been TOTALLY refuted.

    Trump keeps repeating it. But, it ihas been investigated and is s a known lie.

    Think about it. Do you really believe Barr would be iinactive on corruption by Biden?
     
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    Congress has oversight responsibilities that include investigating the executive branch.

    Trump has denied that fundamental element of our system of checks and balances.

    Today, Republicans are removing those checks and balances.

    The result is that the US executive branch and all its executive power of investigation, foreign policy, spending, affects on elections, etc. will no longer be checked by contress, as intended by our founders.

    That is FRIGHTENING. And NOT because of Trump.
     
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    What???

    That's total BS. There is no reason to require multiple submissions of subpoenas. If one can be ignored, then all subsequent ones may also be ignored.

    And, the idea that ignoring every subpoena and threatening staff should they consider taking the proper legal steps isn't obstruction of justice is just plain stupid.

    If that isn't obstruction, then ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is obstruction.

    Again, what's happening here is that Republicans are turning our presidency into an elected dictatorship.

    Why?
     
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    I already stated why, and I guess you didn't like that.

    So, let me just point out that it is because Justice Roberts said so.

    Good enough?
     
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    False. Another empty post that shows 0 guts to show evidence to back up any thing you say including the timing of events...just trash. The fact is after the July phone call Bolton learned that Trump was demanding a blackmail exchange of an investigation into the Biden's (not an investigation of the million dollars of corruption in Ukraine that affected every facet of political and institutional life) in exchange for missiles. He was complaining about the Trump (Drug Deal) while still an active USC member) So he was not complaining about the phone call after he resigned but while he still held his post way before then. Your contempt for the truth is evident. Once again no guts, no evidence for anything you day here
    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...-alerted-ukrainian-efforts-called-it-n1066141


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    Why didn't the Democrats use the courts to enforce these subpoenas like the Republicans did during the Obama administration????
     
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    Here's the evidence...

    "Warm, cordial" and "concerned about corruption."

     
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    Once again a post that shows 0 0 0 evidence of what Bolten said after this interview. while still a USC adviser In fact it proves that he completely disowned this statement after this early interview way before he resigned.. Another empty post . Lets revisit your false propaganda post of 1163 Here's what you said:

    "So, Bolton confirmed back in 2019 that the call was a big beautiful phone call in witch he had no problems with. Then he gets fired resigns and now takes out his revenge on his former employer"

    The proof is he was complaining about Trumps bribary OF ZELENSKY ( A Drug deal) before he resigned and nullified what he said on this early video. Once again you have failed to back your above claim that Bolten didn't say anything negative about the drug deal until after he resigned and you cower away from showing any evidence.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...-alerted-ukrainian-efforts-called-it-n1066141

    Bolton wanted White House lawyers alerted to Ukrainian efforts, called it 'drug deal,' witness tells Congress

    Former Russian analyst Fiona Hill testified to members of Congress on Monday behind closed doors

    Oct. 14, 2019, 11:55 PM EDT / Updated Oct. 15, 2019, 5:04 AM EDT

    By Josh Lederman and Phil Helsel

    Then-national security adviser John Bolton was so disturbed by the efforts to get the Ukrainians to investigate President Donald Trump’s political opponents that he called it a “drug deal,” former White House official Fiona Hill reportedly told Congress on Monday.

    Hill, the former top Europe expert in Trump’s White House, testified that Bolton told her over the summer that he wanted no part of the effort, which he said involved acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, a person in the room for Hill’s testimony told NBC News.
     
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    First, they very clearly have enough evidence.

    Second, going through the courts would take significant time. Trump could offer various excuses and otherwise complicate the case. The SC could require it to go through a lower court first, as they rarely render opinions on cases that have not gone through lower courts.

    There is a coming election and everyone agrees that it's better if the impeachment is completed in a reasonably timely manner.

    The idea that we can have a case of this import with Trump's defense including that we can't have witnesses is nothing short of shocking.

    It makes the entire process a joke.
     
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    Fiona Hill's testimony doesn't prove diddly squat.
     
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    Thanks for admitting that the Democrats didn't go through proper channels (courts) and just wanted to rush this whole impeachment witch hunt process through to satisfy their angry base.
     
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    Lol so here's your angry gutless B.S. statement about Bolton. on post1163 Here's what you said:

    "So, Bolton confirmed back in 2019 that the call was a big beautiful phone call in witch he had no problems with. Then he gets fired resigns and now takes out his revenge on his former employer". This statement is pure trash used to undermine Bolton but in true gutless fashion no evidence and no proof. Not even an attempt to find evidence. This is pure junk.

    But I come up with solid evidence that witnesses knew that Bolton was complaining about Trumps blackmail attempts waaay before he resigned with Fiona Hill being one of the witnesses and you fly off the handle in a rage. Your statement in red is the lowest form of gutless B.S. dribble I've seen yet.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/tr...-alerted-ukrainian-efforts-called-it-n1066141

    You're not going to save Trump with gutless propaganda statements that have nothing n common with reality.



     
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    Yeah Schiff would ....but why do you not have his face shown?
     
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