BREAKING: Independent Gov. Agency says trump regime violated law

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    Gov’t Watchdog Office: OMB Broke Law With Trump-Ordered Ukraine Aid Freeze
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/government-accountability-office-trump-omb-ukraine-freeze

    "The U.S. Government Accountability Office, a government watchdog agency that advises Congress, concluded Thursday that the hold President Trump ordered his Office of Management and Budget to place on Ukraine military assistance violated the law.

    “Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law,” a GAO opinion said. “OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act (ICA). The withholding was not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that OMB violated the ICA.”

    The opinion outlined the reasons holds can be legally placed on congressionally authorized funding, and said the rational given for freezing the Ukraine aid did not fit within those reasons."
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    So much for the endless droning by Trumpette's that Don didn't break any laws.
     
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    We are grateful for Nancy Pelosi and the House for impeaching Trump. Who does he think he is? Soliciting other countries to help him in his re-election bid.
     
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    Leaving Trump in office may turn out to be a good thing. As the evidence continues to drip out, drip, drip, drip. As the cases work their way through the courts, Trump may become so toxic, that all Republicans suffer. Even Moscow Mitch might find himself retiring ahead of schedule.
     
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    Even with the information from Parnas(who the DOJ has just said lied about Barr supposedly knowing about Parnas's interactions.), we still don't have a *smoking gun* that he wanted it for his re-election.

    We could call it a "healthy assumption", but not an ascertained fact. And if after all the evidence we're still at assumption mode, it's a terrible call to make, one I wish we didn't have to make.
     
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    Trump is so slick as is his cabinet and aids...

    Trump Tax Break That Benefited the Rich Is Being Investigated
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-tax-break-benefited-rich-130541444.html

    A federal tax break meant to help poor communities that became a windfall for wealthy investors is being investigated by the Treasury Department, the agency’s deputy inspector general said Wednesday.

    The inquiry is being conducted at the request of three Democratic lawmakers: Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey, Rep. Emanuel Cleaver II of Missouri and Rep. Ron Kind of Wisconsin.
     
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    We're going to investigate this man until hell freezes over, aren't we?
     
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    A ruling from a government agency..........which would have been celebrated by Trumpette's had it gone the other way.........displays the importance of Trump having laid the groundwork for the Trumpette response. Anything like this gets labeled as coming from the non-existent "Deep State." Just as factual revelations of Trump's incompetence and corruption get dismissed as coming from the "fake news" media.

    The construct he has created is very clever in its deceit. It allows any and all criticism of Trump to be neatly set aside as having no credibility..............when the opposite is true.
     
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    Probably so just like he was investigated many times before he was in office....
     
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    White House budget official told Pentagon that order to hold Ukraine aid came from Trump, national security site reports
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/politics/unredacted-ukraine-documents-pentagon-concerns/index.html

    Washington (CNN)In the face of warnings from the Pentagon that the hold on military aid to Ukraine could be illegal, an official from the Office of Management and Budget made it clear that the order to keep the freeze in place came directly from President Donald Trump, according to unredacted documents reviewed by Just Security.

    The documents, including emails from officials at the Department of Defense and the Office of Management and Budget that were released under court order last month but were either partially or completely blacked out, offer new details about tensions between the two agencies tasked with carrying out Trump's unexplained hold on aid to Ukraine.
     
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    the op is in 'political opinions & beliefs' for a reason... there's no truth to it, it's all just opined malcontent
     
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    Here's the ruling.

    https://www.gao.gov/assets/710/703909.pdf

    "In the summer of 2019, the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) withheld from obligation funds appropriated to the Department of Defense (DOD) for security assistance to Ukraine. In order to withhold the funds, OMB issued a series of nine apportionment schedules with footnotes that made all unobligated balances unavailable for obligation. Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law. OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act (ICA). The withholding was not a programmatic delay. Therefore, we conclude that OMB violated the ICA."
     
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    Unfortunately, this is a meaningless gesture on the part of Fed.gov.

    The Democratic Party has taught us – based on most crimes being ignored during the corrupt Obama administration – that federal laws are not applicable to most elected officials, along with high-ranking bureaucrats in the federal government.

    We have learned that federal crimes regarding violations of classified information or using confidential IRS laws to target political opponents or using federal courts to spy on political opponents or pressuring a foreign government to ignore corruption involving family members, along with numerous other crimes, do not apply to those who consider themselves politically elite.

    Thus, this latest attempt by leftists in the federal government to tarnish political opponents will be ignored by normal Americans, who will simply chalk it up to yet another politically-motivated effort to influence the upcoming presidential elections.

    Hey, you guys have made these rules, don't complain when your political opponents use 'em...
     
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    Failure to notify congress that he had held up legal security assistance congress had appropriated and authorized to Ukraine was a violation of the Impoundment Control Act.
     
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    You'd have a point if................anything you wrote was true...........but it isn't.
     
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    Hopefully so. Every "investigation" has made Trump stronger and made the dems look more desperate by the hour.
    There is an old saying that a do nothing House of Representatives is good for the people.
     
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    Punishment, civil action to coerce the release of funds. So they timed the latest trashing perfectly to get the China Deal and USMCA off the front page, but since the money was released months ago, it's too late.
     
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    Even Trump's own administration questioned the legality. Fun stuff.
     
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    The report also notes the Trump administration obstructed the GAO investigation. Essentially they weighed in on both articles of impeachment.

    They broke the law and obstructed the investigation into their law breaking.
     
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    It's absolutely true, and both sides generally benefit from being immune to our rule of law.

    It's just your side that becomes indignant, however...
     
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    Wrong as usual. 1st the worst you can claim is that Trump didn't properly over see OMB. Second even if Trump doesn't it is up to the comptroller general an Obama appointee to fill in any blanks the president might leave.

    3rd the law itself is quite controversial in its own and has never been tested before the supreme Court, and the law has been at least violated at some point by presidents as far back as Lincoln, although it was inapplicable to Lincoln since it did not exist at that time.
     
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