Breaking news - Rockets from Gaza hit southern Israel.

Ah I see, your argument is with the specific terminology.

Lets be clear, Hamas will never ever ever see it as 'problem solved'. Neither will I for that matter. Your crime was indeed terrible.

However, most palestinians as well as most of the world will agree to take your side in further debates and conflagrations.

The problem will, rather than be solved, be 'reduced'. Much like any crime, the crime cannot be 'wiped from the pages', no murderer or victims families ever forget what happened..but they can move on to a more acceptable situation. Surely you can see the worth in that.

 

Fascinating comment.

1/ Can you explain in what sense Hamas lack reason? Where is their lack of reasoning? What is the failure of logic?

2/ Seems to me that Hamas has been rather successful in its history of resistance, after are their any more of those evil settlers in Gaza for a start? - should I list more acheivements?

 

It's both sad and hilarious that even when trying to justify ethnic cleansing and collective punishment by the Israeli government on the innocent Palestinian population, Israeli apologists still can't come up with an argument.

 

If I launched a rocket into my neighbors yard I highly suspect no one would be calling me an innocent. How is it possible to have that disconnect in your mind?

 

Difference is that if you did that, only you would be held responsible. No one in your vicinity would be bombed in order to get you.

 

Gazan's elected Hammas as their leaders.
That makes them also responsible.
If Gazans want quiet life, Prosperity & Good living same as Ramallah then they should replace Hammas.

 

Naaaww, cute. Problem is that your disconnect and intentional ignorance doesn't change what I wrote in my post.

If some random kid throws a rock at your brick wall, you don't have the right to slaughter his entire family in response and take over the house of everyone in the neighbourhood to make sure their kids don't throw more rocks.

Try again?

 

It's amazing these Israeli apologists can spout such nonsense regarding the splintered Gaza and turn around to declare themselves completely free of responsibility despite Israels united social and political support for their war, ethnic cleansing and International crimes, stable government hierarchy and direct governmental action and responsibility regarding their crimes.

Oh, not to mention declaring that somehow armed, militarised, illegal settlers that are living (knowingly and deliberately) on stolen Palestinian land are somehow "innocent civilians".

I mean, that's totally why all those Germans got to keep the land taken under Lebensraum policies after WW2, right?

 

There is nothing, and i mean NOTHING between white i wrote , to your comment. NO CONNECTION.
The palestinians broken record moaning is boring..
The only ethnic cleansing was to 850000 jews that were expelled from their homes in arab countries - THE JEWISH NAKBA.

 

No I dont, I dont see that at all, I dont see us as being guilty of any crime more thhan the Palestinains and Arabs around us for that matter,

Im willing to put "who to blame" aside for the benefit of future generations if that's accepted on the other side but if you see it as a humiliated move than forget I suggested anything..., we are doing much much better than you side does.

 

Let me explain where they fail:

After the smoke clears out all they will ever find is Israel on the other side with a piece of paper and a pen, they can kill a few more Israelis, free some more prisoners, make a few more Europeans pressure Israel and drag it for a few decades more that's true,

Records prove that every blow they inflicft us we repay them 5 times if not more, there will be no victory of one side over the other so when they do come to the table it will be when their losses will be much greater than Israel, that (*)(*)(*)(*) is entirley thier own doing and responsibility, not ours.

 

Well good for you being so guilt free, but dont be surprised if in all future discussions on these matter for the rest of time we will retain that opinion.

In any case why should you guilt affect real moves to get you guys out of the west bank? Cant you just accept that youre blamed by most of the world for stealing land, get out of the west bank, leave gaza alone and enjoy your lives in Tel Aviv?

 

Interesting, and by the same logic and as has been proven after the smoke clear all Israelis will ever find is the same people sticking two fingers up at you when you try to control their indepedent borders and airspace and trying to stop them defending themselves.

Records do indeed prove that the Israelis kill far more women and children and whats more the records show, as the last Israeli breaking of the ceasefire did, that this stuff is entirely Israels doing, its responsibility, not theirs.

So given that ive explained their logic, are you going to explain where their logic fails?

 

I said as guilty as others not guilt free,

I wont be surprised but you should speak with others that think their crap doesnt stinck too, speaking to a guy like me that acknowledge the suffer of others you will only abuse my sympathy like you do now, its not my game sorry.

Because you dont offer peace, you offer anarchy, not intersted.

 

Like I said, they cant win so all they do is cause more pain mostly to thier side, perhaps you see it as winning... I see it as failure.

 

Look Gilos I like you, I always have. And youre credible and reasonable Israeli.

Whats that got to do with you guys when youre behind your big wall, far away from the West Bank etc etc?

Cant you just go shopping in Tel Aviv, gloat about how advanced you are and leave everyone else alone?

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They dont have to invade you to win, all they have to do is survive, because sooner or later youll get a grip of your fanatics and leave everyone alone.

 

Wow! I never thought I'd live to see such deductive thinking. By any standards that's got to be the most idiotic nonesense I've read all morning. The militant wing of Hamas is a liberation movement fighting against gross attrocities and injustice by the Israeli Government and its war machine.
Tell me mate... How much damage do these "intimidating" rockets inflict on Israeli infrastructure??? Does it warrant such military action of no concievable proportionality?
I don't know about you but I think the Israel's turning into a Nazi mass murdering genocidal state.

 

Actually the bolded part is "the most idiotic nonesense I've read " so far today. Deliberately targeting women and children who are doing nothing but going about their civilian lives is not fighting but rather out and out terrorism as defined by the UNSC.

 

The UNSC is a defunct organ that like the entire U.N has been perverted into a tool for the extension of Imperialist agenda's mainly that of the U.S and it's global partners. So this sudden "ohh we observe the law nonsense" is exactly what it is. Nonsense.
How many conventions on the conduct of warfare has Israel held in contempt since it was first established and unduely recognised as a state. Flaunting proceedure set out in "international law" and setting a precident that would enable Israeli agression in the Mid East.
You see, that was the first great show of weakness made the U.N showing the world how lofty idealism can be open to perversion and turned into a mere extension of western expansionalism in this global war for resources. Going back to that hog wash assertion of children and women being used as human sheilds. Maybe just maybe there'd be less non military fatalities if the IDF didn't target non hostile, non military installations! Scape goating Hamas through a bias international media doesn't negate the fact that. it seems as if the only reason the IDF attacks indiscriminately in Gaza is to facilitate it's continued illegal expansion.
State terrorism is when an unjustifiable and inhumane blockade cuts off a people from the rest of the world. These Conditions akin to the very ghettos jews were subject to under Nazi occupation.
We already hearing of radical elements proporting to create concentration camps and what not to exterminate an entire people. It's genocide, gradual, sytematic and largely ignored by an over apologetic international community but it still is genocide.
I do not doubt the fundamental right for the Israeli state to defend itself againt aggression. Im from Zimbabwe mate I nkow a thing or two about survival. So don't assume that im anti semetic, I would like to categoricaly insist that I'm not. I don't mind that the Israeli intelligence service has taken a pro-active and pre-emptive stance against say the Nuclearisation of Iran. Weaponisation is a real and possible threat from an Israeli point of view. Home made cluster rockets don't quite rank as
equal a threat.
Im saying that the war on Gaza, all of the IDF's incursions and its conduct are unjustifiable. Regardless your poxy UNSC's stance.

 

..... further to my last ..... and any widely accepted definition of terrorism

 

Haha! Dissapointed... I thought you liked to joust!

 

Jousting with one who doesn't even know what the word 'terrorism' means is boring to say the least.

 

Terrorism is pejorative, emmotionaly charged and politicaly ambiguous. It realy all depends on perception and political pragmatism. Obviously the Israeli Government and over apologists such as yourself are inclined to categorize Hamas as Terrorist in nature. But what of the people in Gaza and us non apologists. And I'd totaly unstead you mate. That isn't bordem just serious case of the "yellow"

 

Terrorism is a word with well defined meanings, none of which are emotional. That you don't, cannot or will not use it according to any of it's commonly and well accepted definitions preferring to obfuscate instead shows you haven't a clue.

 

The point that this poster is trying to make is... that Israel is in his mind an <Arab Land>, when in reality this land is the <ANCESTRAL HOME OF THE JEWS>.

As a living example the hordes of Islam controlled <Andalou> (Spain) for 899 years until they were kicked out of there in 1609 CE... Where is Andalous to day?

Israel would like to be independent of foreign rabble rousers and live in Peace... but Israel is ready at any eventuality <SI VIS PACEM PARABELLUM =If you want Peace prepare for War>...

I want you and other followers to know that <ISRAEL WILL NOT SIGN AWAY THE INHERITANCE OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE> not now not EVER!!