I would go with that... But I would still keep them in a mental institution where they can be treated and not in the general public prison.
I sure hope so, but it's not my call. Norway will probably have him spend a lifetime of psychiatric treatment in a secure ward. I feel bad for the victims' relatives who have to struggle to accept the ruling. I wouldn't be so forgiving.
National Geo had the Lockup serie a while ago... There seem to be a high level of inmates with sever mental health problem in the US system. Some are even in isolation 24/7.
Isolation doesn't seem like a bad thing, IMHO. Someone that is homicidally insane isn't much use to society. The Death Penalty for someone like that would be an act of mercy.
Yes, it would. The death penalty would be best for society as a whole and the most humane treatment of this animal.
It is a bad thing. Man is a social being. If you deprive him of human contact you are making is mental health worst, which could be considered a for of torture. Max security isolation is a cell 6x8 with lights on 24/7, no windows, no tv, no book... You get 20 minute of exercise per day alone in a similar empty cell...
If someone is hopelessly insane, I'm not sure if it matters. The Death Penalty has the potential to be a cheaper way to deal with the criminally insane, but under our current appeals system, isolation is cheaper. Either way, if someone is beyond redemption, I'm not sure if isolating them or killing them really matters beyond the expense involved.
Of course it does. Insane people aren't raving 24/7. Most of the time paranoiac and schitzo are rational enough to understand what is hapening to them, especially if they are medicated. It's when they become delusional that they represent a danger to both themselves and the public. Isolating them 24/7 with no human contact is no solution. As for the death penalty, I'm only for it fo 1st degree premeditated murder, from which an insane person is by its nature excluded from. What is needed instead is better screening of children to try to spot those that have factors in their life that could result in mental illness and start treating them at an early age.
I agree with the bolded part. Still, I have nothing against executing the insane, if they happen to be murderous during their bouts of insanity. It's not worth having to spend time and money on someone that will never be a functioning member of society and can only be a danger to society if released.
Science and medecine evolve... Those we can't cure today, maybe cured tomorrow. Also, if you find a schitzo guilty of a crime and sent to death row, aren't you infact condemning two or many person, one or more of which isn't guilty of this crime?
Fair point on the first part.... The second point is technically true, although it can't really be addressed in a more practical way than to prosecute the individual as one person.
Then won't you consider it inhumane to kill him for thing he may or may not have the mental capacity to know if he has done wrong or not?
I file that under "breaking eggs to make an omelet." My main concern in crime and punishment isn't being humane as much as it is having a functional system that minimizes recidivism. When it comes to sane criminals, being humane can be therapeutic. If you treat a sane person fairly and humanely, they will often reform. The same isn't so true of an insane person. Because of that, being humane isn't my focus. The insane sometimes have to be disposed of, one way or another. It may be harsh, but it's practical. Criminal justice systems must retain a certain level of utilitarianism in order to be sustainable and functional.
Insane my arse ,amby pamby liberals give me the squirts ! Its OK to Assassinate OBL,send drones ito Pakistan and Afghanistan to Assassinate whoever,but call for the Trial and execuyion of Andre Brevik fascist slime and suddenly all the Anti-Capitial Punishment amby pamby ubbish emerges yes death to the heathern MuslimTerrorist but anice bed for the Aryan Variety! Hypocracy on Hypocracy ,careful middle class liberal wankers your support for Fascism of the Hitler type is showing ,scratch a middle class liberal get a Andre Brevik supporter Oh well R-Wing Religious Middle class wankery sticks together down with the Liberal Fascist apologists I say! http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/dec2011/brei-d02.shtml So lets give It a fairtrial then take it out and shot it in the back of the head ,tried and true method of political disscussion with Fascist scum! Lets make an exampleof it a little Democratic Terror I say!
Well, I did not approve of OBL being killed just as I don't approve of killing Brevik. But, it does not bother me that OBL got killed, just as it wouldn't bother me if Breivik got killed. Yet, killing is obviously an OBL/Breivik trait and I have no motive to follow their example.
This Fascist Maggot Coherently stated that he did what he did because he wanted to achieve a political Goal? That is not Psychotic illness or any illness its called Political Motivation! Shot the Fascist Maggot after a full and open trial!
Its that fence sitting that fascism rely's upon ,nipping things in the bud ,thats the Communist way ! Then again the Communist is Anti Fascist to the death,and expects no mercy nor begs for it! Kill or be killed with a fascist no other method will do ! WW2 did happen and the NAZI Party Fascist movement was not accidental ,was counter-revolution pure and simple no accident that the USSR not Britian nor Franch nor America was the prime target of hitlers Autrocity! But 1 thing they all aqgreed on, Stalin and hitler Included ,was that the real Communists where in Trotsky's 4th International ,GPU and Gestapo alike ! The reason the Jews were selected for extermination was down in no small part because ,Marx,and Trotsky and many others from the European jewish Intelligensia,became leaders in the Communist Movement ! It was never a religious thing with Hitler and Gobbles it was always Ideological and political! Hitler was no genius but he wasn't crazy either ,just a Nationalist Politican of the Extreme Capitialism type! I wish the Liberals and social democrats,would turn aside let me do what i do they don't have to watch just turn their heads in shame ! Apologists to Fascism that they where and still remain! Lest we forget ! The millions of shattered Proletariets strewn on the battlefields of Europe! Hows that 'United Europe "doing BTW?
I am sorry to inform you but people with mental illness do not go out and SHOOT in COLD BLOOD 69 individual humans one after another no human who is Psycotic can do that medically impossible because Pyschotic episodes are just that EPISODES! Plural more then ONE,a HISTORY of Episodes usally lasting no more then a few minutes NOT hours ! not to mention the FULL ADMISSION of why he did what he did ,Mentally Ill people don't think that Rationally that is why the indicator of ALL mental illness is NON -thats- NON -Rational thinking! I find the assertion that any mentally Ill people being capable of such MASS MURDER as not only offensive but totally ABSURD SLANDER against those less fortunate! AMBY PAMBY LIBERAL TWADDLE! Shot the Fascist Maggot after an open public trial!
While I disagree with your argument, I'm consistent. I supported killing OBL, and I support killing Breivik. Some people are better off dead.
your consistency is noted and apreciated as those that called for thwe killing of Julian Assange are very silent we must assume they are hypocrites . At least you are not that ! The killing of OBL I disagree with because he isn't dead,do they present the video or even a Picture not to be found anywhere on the web1 i can see the dead body of Sadam Hussien ,Gadaffi and his sons not a problem just a click away . OBL ,nothing but a silly story that they shot him on the spot took the body ,risked troops in taking the body transported it to a warship ?[which one ?] Then throw it overboard ? OR Maybe ,found OBL ,took him into custody sent him to a secret location to have any information they could get