Bump-Stock Device Received ATF Green Light During Obama Administration

Sure thing, the link is in post #48. I added more detail while editing my previous post as well:

The laws didn't change. The product did. One was a "mechanical customization," which the ATF could ban according to the laws on the books, and the other wasn't considered one because it had no moving parts.

 

Yeah I saw that after I posted and it's an interesting article. There has to be a certain amount of extrapolation to be as definitive as you were in your previous post on this but it bears further research.

 

Looks like some Repubs will vote with the Demos, huh?




Top Senate Republicans said Wednesday they are open to considering legislation banning devices that were reportedly used to gun down scores of people in the worst mass shooting in modern American history.

No Republican has yet joined Democrats in endorsing a bill targeting bump stocks, but their comments suggest a potential shift in the party’s typically hard-line opposition to gun control measures.

Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas, the second-ranking Senate Republican, has dispatched his staff to research the use of bump stocks and said it would be “worthwhile” to have a hearing on the topic.

John Thune of South Dakota, the No. 3 Senate Republican, said he had talked to other GOP lawmakers about the narrow topic of bump stocks and said several were at least interested in finding out more about how the devices are used.

“I think it’s something we ought to look into,” Thune said. “I don’t know a lot about them, and I’m somebody who, I’d like to think, is fairly familiar with a lot of firearms and you know, the use of those. And that incident out there is something that I think we need to take a look at.”

Senate Homeland Security Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) said he’d support a bill barring bump stocks from purchase.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California and more than two dozen other Democrats unveiled a bill Wednesday to prohibit the sale of bump-stock devices.

Other Republicans, including Sens. Mike Rounds of South Dakota, Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and David Perdue of Georgia, also left the door open to action on bump stocks.....snip~

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/04/bump-stock-ban-republican-senators-243453?lo=ap_a1

 

You can dig through gun laws, but none of them involving bump stocks changed. The big difference was that, in 2013, we had a non-mechanical one come on the market. You won't find any decision from Bush or Obama on the subject. I'm with you on this though; I'm a gun owner, but a device (whether "mechanical" or not) that gives a semi-auto the same rate of fire as an auto needs to be regulated the same way as an actual auto.

You can find the letter from the ATF itself here: https://www.ammoland.com/2017/10/sl...-not-automatic-weapon-says-atf/#axzz4udyc7ERl

"The stock has no automatically functioning parts or springs and performs no automatic mechanical function when installed . . . Accordingly, we find that the 'bump-stock' is a firearm part and is not regulated as a firearm under Gun Control Act or the National Firearms Act."

 

I agree to this. I believe that the bump stock manufacturer has suspended all sales, and that the vendors, like Cabella's have stopped selling them, in store and on line. I would suspect that the backlash will be self enforcing. The obvious issue to be asked is as these products are removed, will those vendors be required to recall them and recompensate those consumers who purchased them?

 

Another Repub sounds off.



Paul Ryan: 'We need to look into' banning gun bump stocks.....

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/p...-into-banning-gun-bump-stocks/article/2636624

 

I have - Sleeman's cream ale.

When idiotic stuff like this OP passes for political debate, I occasionally need one to fend off the depths of intellectual despair.

 

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^ Another Democrat message who joined the Democratic Party's War On Truth and is outraged that TRUTH is ever presented in a debate. Rather, it is just who can better sneer and rant slogans intermixed with attempts to derail and make personal attacks.

 

The Obama ATF changes its rules making up that excuse. The ATF bans non-moving parts. It does not take acts of Congress.

 

The ATF didn't change any rules here. They didn't reference internal rules when making their decision. They referenced the law. They could find no law banning it, so it was approved. "The ATF bans non-moving parts" is a complete pipe dream that would mean banning all firearm accessories and which would have been destroyed in the courts.

 

Debate what exactly?

The issue of under who's watch such devices were determined to be "legal"?

Certain types ALWAYS try to misdirect the focus of the debate. In this case a crass, simplistic and purely partisan OP to "BLAME OBAMA and the Democrats instead of examing the VERY REAL ISSUE of rational gun control.

If it weren't for projection, you'd have nothing.

 

I'm amazed this thing ever got approved, and astounded that the media apparently completely missed the story of the approval, and apparently did not know that these existed.

I can't see it. I'm pro-gun, and still have three. I hope bump stocks are banned and a very extremely harsh penalty put on being in possession of one.

I can't see 100 round magazines either, which apparently were used.

You can't stop a determined, intelligent madman, but banning these accessories will help slightly by keeping what is effectively an automatic weapon selling for real cheap off the market.

 

Looks like you will need a gallon of that stuff. Here is another thread on it.


http://www.politicalforum.com/index...een-light-during-obama-administration.515834/

 

Underage girls are bought and sold in the sex slave industry in this country. You could buy anti tank missiles if you had connections and money. All you would need is to be friends with a Leland Yee type.