Can people really be non-binary?

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Can people really be non-binary?

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  2. yes

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  1. Curious Always

    Curious Always Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As a bipolar person, I have to say bye now. It exists. I was born with it. Inherited from my father. I gave it to my niece.

    schizophrenia, sociopathy, depression, etc., are real, no matter how much you close your ears and say nuh uh.
     
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    Oh, except for that pesky third androgynous option.

    Binary, by definition, can NEVER have a third option.
     
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    I never said they don't exist. I said they're not genetic.

    Believe me, I know they exist. And not because I have personal (as in personal) experience. You figure it out.
     
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    There is no third option. There are two genders.
     
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    Well, as I said, my dad had it, I have it, my niece has it. But thanks for finally agreeing chemical imbalance is a thing.
     
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  6. Lil Mike

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    I don't think of myself as unaccepting of abnormalities now. In what way, and in what post, did I give you a different impression?

    And while you are mulling over that, perhaps you could tell me about the "new knowledge or advances in medicine" that discovered your "gender sense?"
     
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    Of course. It rarely happens in isolation, because it's a result of environment.

    Neurochemistry (and brain geography) change is a result of stress. Stress is a result of environment.
     
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    You should call the medical school that gave you your doctor diploma. They taught you horribly. So much wrong with your post, I don’t even know where to start.
     
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    It seems you have not the slightest idea what I am talking about.

    And it seems you do not know any of these over-woke "non-binaries" personally.
     
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    Again:

    This stupid idea of "non-binary" has NOTHING to do with biology.

    Only with over-woke snowflakes, who want to be something very very special und enjoy looking down on "normal people".
     
  11. Polydectes

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    Sex and gender is binary in fact nobody can come up with a way to express a non-binary gender except for demand everyone else refer to them as multiple people. That is the absolute only expression of that that there is for non binary. Everything else is just adopting a hodgepodge between the two sexes that already exist so there's no such thing as non-binary everyone that says they are are on the binary.
     
  12. gfm7175

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    I see you have no intention of learning about logic.

    Yes.

    No... That abnormality means that there was an "error" in the "code". Just as an error of logic is not logic and does not change what logic is, an abnormality is not a normality and does not change what normal is.

    Sex is binary, as male (XY) and female (XX) are the only two options within the system, just as 0 and 1 are the only two options within the binary code system. The existence of abnormalities (or "genetic code errors", such as XXY for example) is completely irrelevant with regard to what "the normal" is. IOW, there is no letter Z option (a "third option"). It is still just X and Y as the two options... It is a binary system. I really don't know how to simplify this concept any further than I have done so right here.

    A binary system can contain errors within it. That doesn't change the definition of the binary system itself. I'm not sure what is so complicated.
     
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    You keep saying there is no third option, and then tell me that they are neither boy nor girl.

    You're the one saying there's a third thing and then turning around and saying there are only two possibilities.

    All human bodies are on a spectrum of what is considered normal. We are all flawed.

    I'm not going to argue with people who think that I'm bipolar because I lived in a stressful environment.

    Refusal to acknowledge that the entire brain is run by chemical interactions, firing at each other, is about as medically unaware as one can be.
     
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    Yes.

    Genetic errors can lead to a number other than 10, but abnormalities are not normalities. Under "the normal" (no genetic errors), humans always have 10 toes.

    Okay.

    Correct.

    Nobody made this claim. The claim is that humans have 10 toes, and barring any sort of error in the genetic code, any resulting human will have 10 toes.
     
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    I'm so glad to see you acknowledge the genetic code. Do you believe that this can happen in the brain? Can you acknowledge that every mutation you can dream of, is in the realm of possibility? Because, that's my entire point.
     
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    Because there ISN'T one... There is no "Z" or "Q" or "D" or any other letter besides 'X' and 'Y'... Ergo, a BINARY system, by definition.

    Delusion. I have said no such thing. I have actually said that it can be unclear in very rare circumstances due to some sort of genetic abnormality.

    Nope. Further delusion on your part. I have consistently said that there is only 'X' and 'Y'... There is no "Z" or "Q" or "D" or whatever else...

    No "turning around" has happened. I have consistently said that there are only two possibilities with regard to "the normal": Male (XY) and Female (XX). Abnormalities (such as XXY) are NOT "the normal" (XY or XX).

    Notice that, even within the abnormalities, there is no such thing as a "Z" or "Q" or "D"?? Notice that there is still only 'X' and 'Y', hence, a BINARY system??

    XX and XY are "the normal". Any deviation from this (XXY, for example) is ABnormal... it is an "error in the code". The existence of such an "error in the code" does NOT somehow mean that the system is no longer binary (containing only X's and Y's).

    There is no "human body spectrum". Now you're resorting to gibberbabble.

    Sinful nature will do that.

    Now you're resorting to off-topic rambling...

    Continued off-topic rambling.

    Sex is a binary system: Male (XY, presence of the SRY gene) and Female (XX, absence of the SRY gene). Deviations from this are "errors in the code", which are irrelevant to what is "the normal" as listed here. Even in abnormal cases, such as XXY or XXX, there are only ever two letters used (X & Y), same with binary code which only ever uses 0 and 1.

    Binary code is a binary system, as is "gender" (aka sex).

    You are flat out wrong about this.
     
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    You are now straying so far off topic (and into irrelevancies) as to not even warrant a response to this.


    "Gender", aka sex, is a binary system. It consists solely of X's and Y's.

    There are only two sexes: Male and Female. Male is coded as XY (specifically, presence of the SRY gene), and Female is coded as XX (specifically, absence of the SRY gene). This is what defines the "normal". Any deviation from this is what defines the "abnormal".

    Even within the abnormal, the coding is still done using ONLY X's and Y's... XXY is abnormal. XXX is abnormal. XYY is abnormal. XXXX is abnormal. However, within ALL of those abnormalities, the BINARY system (X & Y) remains intact.

    Sex is a binary system, as I have explained numerous times now in numerous different ways, now simplifying it down to its very core. If you don't understand it now, then there's nothing more I can do, as there is no way to make it any more basic than I now have done.

    You remain dead wrong about this whole discussion.
     
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    K, as I expected. Please call your medical school and demand a refund. You are going on about stuff you clearly don't even remotely understand.

    Mutations ARE the spectrum. LOL.
     
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    So...this whole issue about non-binary people was just about hermaphroditism? According to Wiki there are only 525 cases. So I'll concede there are 525 "non-binary" people.
     
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    Projection. Those are your issues, not mine. I have clearly explained why you are wrong, but you wish to remain irrational. That's on you.

    You haven't defined any "spectrum". I've already thoroughly explained to you why and how sex is binary.

    To act as if concepts are laughable means that you want to be irrational.
    --- Alan Keyes
     
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    I've haven't the slightest doubt you find this idea insulting.
     
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    1) There is a STANDARD for the human animal .. and that is two genders. Ocassional deviations (hermaphroditism, born with 11 toes, etc) don't change that standard in any way. The standard remains true.

    2) You understand just enough to be dangerous. Yes of course the brain is 'run by chemical interactions', that's a given. It's how that chemistry changes that cannot be determined. Any 'scientist' leaping to the conclusion that changes are genetic, has no business declaring something that has never been proven. The only thing we have proven, is that stress changes the brain.
     
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    I don't think anyone does if you're not talking about 'non-binary' people.

    For that is the OP and thread.
     
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    No one can express a gay person either.
    You claim you are gay. So it must not be reality for you to make that claim.
    Non binary gender is expressed as TRANS gender.
    There is nothing expressed as absolute when it comes to earth life forms. There's all sorts of mutations that take place. It's what the theory of evolution is based on.
     
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    disagree a person can pursue relationships romantic and sexual with the same sex and that is an expression of homosexuality or being gay.

    See there's a definable real example there.

    Gay is a description of sexual and romantic behavior the only reason the term exists is to describe something that occurs in reality.

    Non-binary exists to describe nothing. If it describes something as gay describes sexual and romantic relationships with people at the same sex then present what the hell it describes nobody ever can so I must come to the conclusion that you can express being gay but you can't express being non-binary other than defining yourself as non-binary arbitrarily.

    you disagree transgender is strictly binary. And if it was not in binary there would be no such thing as transgender. Transgender assumes that there is a gender that is associated with a sex and the trans part is where you adopt gender behaviors of the opposite sex. The prefix cans means across so there has to be a point a and a point B for you to be across from it so trans depends on binary.
    Evolution is observable non-binary is not. You can tell someone's transgender by talking to them interacting with them and understanding them you can tell someone's gay that way you can't with non-binary they have to tell you that they identify as non-binary. That means there's no observable condition or state of being that can be labeled non-binary. It's like saying you're a fan of music or you like sushi.

    I take no issue with people identifying as leprechauns and unicorns you do you. I may view you as a little strange but that doesn't mean I can't be friends with you.

    If you have to lecture me on non-existent pronouns absolutely not.
     
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