Can We Call Trump a Killer?

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  1. quiller

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    China also shipped us millions of defective masks. A breathtaking move of either Made-in-China junkware, or else a tool of war.
     
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    This is a constant complaint from the right, often along with the criticism that one or another pol has no "charisma" or is boring

    A Presidential administration is not a novel. We WANT boring in politics, it indicates there are no difficulties and things are running smoothly. "May you live in interesting times" is regarded by the Chinese as a curse.
     
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    That's the criticism, that 'certain criteria' is needed, which reflects the fact that the tests are being rationed, which reflects that Trump is dragging his feet allowing states to get them, because he thinks that more testing will produce more cases which will make him look bad and thus hinder his reelection chances.

    that is the bottom line here, and my own case is anecdotal to this fact.
     
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    You are right. I said that in a fit of pique. Excuse me.
     
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    I meant if they were yet to experience symptoms, why test?

    Anyway... I don't think it's too relevant
     
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    We don't know. Did you have a point?

    Oh.... I see. It was just an excuse to promote your racis.... uhm... racial comments.
     
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    Yes you can Trump a killer. it makes you look like a partisan d-bag but go ahead.
     
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    Of course Trump is a killer. We have irrefutable evidence that thousands of dead might have been avoided had he acted sooner in regard to the Corona crisis and done different things. He is still doing that and the Republicans continue to support him. Trump has the blood of thousands on his hands without any doubt

    The only thing I can hope out of this is that we end the Republican Party as a viable political influence in this country. It is utter madness to me that we continue to tolerate this baleful entity in our midst after this.
     
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    This message brought to you by the Geobbels memorial propaganda department of the DNC.
     
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    Are you being facetious?

    If what you say is true, then the whole of conservatism has been petulant for the last several decades. It's one of my main problems with the whole movement. People are losing their life's savings over political activities, going to jail, or conversely gaining whole careers and making their fortunes. It is the warp and weft of life itself, the very essence of serious business, yet a major criticism of pols on both sides is that they are "boring". What the Bloody F**k. This is LIFE not a ****** episode of Sailor Moon.
     
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    As opposed to Mr. Charisma, John Kerry, or his twin by another mother, Al Gore. Kerry? Who carved that totem? Bright'n snappy, you betcha. Real JFKs..and Kerry even joked about it. The best their party had....

    Let it be the epitaph to the Democrats if this unfolds in any more corrupt a way as it already has been. The upcoming on-line primary is a bad festering joke removing all possibility of little-guy participation.
     
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    Yeah but it got choked on the dust you blew up in your escape. Oh, yeah. Me from the earlier post...

    And what about those positive cases with no symptoms? Do we know for certain they would not be modern Typhoid Marys carrying the disease to others, who would be more affected?

    Five deaths and counting. You ignore the 30% and condone the protestors spreading it? Over to you!
     
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    I was not being facetious. But I was not criticizing politicians but the OP for being boring. I should have not expressed my opinion, though.

    I can't say I've noticed that national politics has affected my life very much after I became ineligible for the draft, to be honest.
     
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    I strongly disagree that you should not have expressed the truth. It actually was yet ANOTHER boring OP from our One-Meme Maestro.
     
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    True, but they are not our president.
     
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    Incompetent rebuttal. Mockery is not a counter argument.
     
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    I was quoting the article which had that as the title, though I did agree with it.

    However, if there is evidence is negligence resulting in much more deaths than need be, and I think that fact is clear, we can legitimately call him a killer, or negligent homicide, something of this nature. It will bother Trump fans, but, since their heads are in the proverbial sand, not much I can do about, except bring inconvenient truth to their attention.
     
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    If Trump himself found a cure for Covid-19 you would criticize him for not doing it sooner
     
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    "Boring"? This is not a reality TV show, there is no obligation to entertain, so it's really not a merit worthy complaint, and, as such, such a complaint doesn't constitute a valid counter argument posited by the OP on any level.
     
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    Some things don't deserve a counter argument and this topic is one of them.
     
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    You can but we are also free to laugh at it.
     
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    Hyperbolic and vacuous declarations are not a competent counter argument.
     
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    As I said this dumb topic doesn't deserve one. Grow up.
     
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    Once again, I'll give you the same reply as I did, Pccykia

    "Boring"? This is not a reality TV show, there is no obligation to entertain, so such a complaint doesn't constitute a valid counter argument posited by the OP on any level.
     
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    What about those cases with no symptoms? If they don't wear a mask, they'll be infecting most people they come across. Which is pretty obvious. Did you have a point?

    How could we know for certain that they're not carrying the disease if they're not tested?

    Two dumb questions (dumb because the answers are obvious) don't constitute what a moderately intelligent person (or above) would consider "a point".

    I still have no idea what your point is. I have no idea what 30% I'm "ignoring". If they're asymptomatic, and they haven't been tested, that means we don't know who they are. Solution: everybody not wearing a mask in a public place should get a big fat fine (at least... maybe even arrested) As for the protesters, I wish they weren't out in the streets during a pandemic. But I see no other way in which they would have obtained all the progress they have achieved in the last 2 months otherwise. If you can tell me another way, I'd be happy to hear it. I do think they should wear a mask too. If authorities think they can hand out citations in the middle of a peaceful protest with tens of thousands of participants, power to them! But keep a low profile or they could start a riot.

    It's a matter of not acting stupidly.

    But I don't even know if this has anything to do with your point because, despite my many calls for you to state one, you haven't stated a point.
     
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