CDC: Coronavirus Fatality Rate 0.26%, 8-15x Lower than Estimates

They've provided empirical evidence for why, in the case of COVID, the deaths are being undercounted. But don't let something like empirical evidence get in the way of whatever agenda you are pushing.

 

You are still clinging to the original incorrect claims about the mortality rate of this virus. Math has proven you wrong beyond any doubt but that clearly is not enough for you.

Facts are facts no matter how much you decry them. This thing is not nearly as deadly as originally presented. Not even close. The problem you have is that your foundation of doom and gloom is crumbling daily as the real numbers of this thing come to light.

 

I track their data and I compare their total reported resolved against the new daily death counts. When I see that rate has fallen below 0.1% for 8 days in a row, then I compare the total resolved against the total deaths.

And I fully recognize the limitation associated with using confirmed recovery numbers and confirmed infection numbers. There are many who never experienced a symptom, but there are also deaths which are currently not being reported as covid-19 deaths. And it only takes 1 missed death for every 20 missed infections maintain a mortality rate of 5%.

As for the serology tests, I believe those tests have significant error rates. But they are useful data and I fully expect to see the case mortality rate to lower significantly. But I would note something about the Influenza comparison, when people say that the mortality rate is 0.1%, they are talking about the mortality rate among the symptomatic individuals. The serology tests that lower the mortality rate of Covid-19 by telling us about the asymptomatic individuals do very little to adjust the mortality rate amongst the symptomatic.

Roughly 20% of the symptomatic patients from Covid-19 will need hospitalization. Of those, roughly 1/3 will die. That rate is roughly the same as ebola.

 

LOL... you "survived" as did literally most of the entire country. Like that's an achievement or something. It still doesn't address your initial assertion though, does it? Also it doesn't address the secondary questions about what is reasonable under the law. Why do you find those things so difficult to address? If I am not infected, have been tested, then wearing a mask in public, for me. is entirely unnecessary.

 

If you had evidence of your claim, you would have provided it. You haven't. You don't.

Can you bring yourself to actually read my post and respond to it directly or do we have more of this evasion to look forward to?

 

Should we now create a list of all of the flus we don't have vaccines for? I mean, there are lots of them. H1N1, SARs, Mersa etc. Hell, according the the Chinese lab where this escaped from, they have 3 additional variants alone. None of which have vaccines. So, what is actually shocking to the rest of us is your ignorance about what the actual threat matrix actually looks like, and because you aren't informed enough, you make these ridiculous comments as if somehow someone might take you as credible.

 

How many have killed over 100,000 people before winter, even with social distancing?

 

Spanish flu. Asian flu. lots of historic events. Why do you suppose that just at this moment. crushing the economy is so much more important to folks, like you?

 

Sweetie, I can promise I'm to the right of you on economics, as I am to the right of Trump. Keep pretending that that the virus would have no economic impact if we just let it run rampant. It's adorable. But glad to hear you admit that you need to go back a ****ING CENTURY to find a comparable disease, all while pretending it is no different from the seasonal flu

 

Okie dokie pumkin... Tell me, which portions of the economy are you willing to lose then?

 

False dichotomy, as already illustrated. There are other countries will less economic contraction who treated this more seriously. Pumpkin'. But keep pretending that the only way to save the economy is to just sacrifice another 100,000 or so . . . which you apparently think would have no economic impact.

 

Hmm.. got it. No answer. The observation is accurate. If, as you've suggested. you're willing to shut it down, you have to be willing to describe which sectors you're willing to lose. There is nothing "false" about that.

 

I don't know what "initial assertion" you were trying to address when you just fabricated how you believe that I live my life.

 

If you need to compare Covid-19 to the single worst pandemic of the last 150 years in order to suggest that Covid-19 is not that dangerous or worthy of pandemic control measures, then you have a **** argument.

 

Because the question was dishonest, and I explained why, which you were the one who actually had "no answer" for.

Other countries took stronger measures earlier on without as much economic contraction as we are facing. Stop me where you are getting confused. What don't you understand about those sentences?

Your suggestion involves both sacrificing the economy AND lives. But don't let something like facts get in the way. Trumpists never did. They never understood that their feelings for Trump should take a backseat to facts about reality.

I'll try to make this simpler: The idea that we have to choose between lives and the economy is a lie. Keep reading that until you understand.

 

Yes, we should be aware of the viruses for which we lack a vaccine.

And we should be scared of the viruses for which we lack a vaccine AND that are deadly and very contagious, like Covid-19.

 

As far as errors in serology tests, that is where the magic of large sample sizes helps to reduce the variance due to errors, assuming the errors are unbiased. Do you know the Type 1 and Type 2 error rates?

But how do you know how many symptomatic patients there are? Maybe everyone who is symptomatic gets tested so you can count, but I doubt it.

I just read about a study suggesting that 80% of infections are asymptomatic. If your other numbers are good, we have a mortality rate of 1.3%

 

How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?

 

Why can't you address the facts, and why do you think it is delusional to do so, Pycckia? Beyond the desperation to worship the dear leader and to dismiss reality to do so, I mean.

 

Wrong

The flu killed 80k in 12 months?
Covid has killed over 100k in less than 3 AND
That is with the social distancing and other measures in place (such as they were).

Whatever it is you think the data means...
You're wrong.
I just hope you're not dead wrong.

 

what the heck does Trump have to with it? Covid isn't a political thing despite leftists trying to make it into one

more and more facts are emerging each day. Yes, people died earlier who would not have had it not been for Covid. The same can be said for drunk drivers, terrorists, poisoning and so on. We'll never eradicate every virus and we cant shut down a nation each time a new one comes along, and that includes if some hope it to be a way to take down a political opponent.

 

No because America’s fractured health system is not keeping those numbers

Numbers that SHOULD have been kept if there were a central co ordinated plan

 

My claim that the death toll is not 2 million as the lefties were predicting? You need evidence for that? Here a wee bit of math for you.....95% wrong in that prediction....95%........if the death toll doubled you would be 90% wrong.

The left made their exaggerated claims for political and social leverage, now they have to own them. All they did was make Trump look like a hero for ensuring the death toll was less that 10% of what was predicted. The poor left can't get out of their own way these days....

I did repsond to your rubbish logic, did not evade it at all. Take away the flu shots for a year and the deaths would equal the C19 deaths, proof being they nearly do now with the flu shots. And I'll ask again, would you support a economic shutdown if the flu shots were not available next year? You did dodge that question.

Your lame attemp to uphild the charade of this virus being a mega killer is falling apart....and you know it because you see the same math the world does pointing that out....which must really piss you off that yet one more chance to defeat Trump is slipping away.

I do love a ranting mad liberal, that is why I am so looking forward to Nov

 

That's a good point. The flu deaths seem pretty high when you consider that we have a flu vaccine.

 

Welcome to the United States Of America, key word there is States, always has been and God wiling always will be. We do not need a centralized healthcare system, this C19 issue has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. Localized American health care has kicked ass during this