Children ripped away from parents in Germany for the crime of homeschooling.

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    The Germans are a backwards people who enjoy no freedom of speech.
    They're groomed or bred to be autistic.

    Is it any wonder the country wants to dictate to parents how to raise their kids?
    These are the same people who once bought us Hitler Youth.
     
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    Can't even talk about Germany without Godwinning.
     
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    I as a parent wouldn't risk the well being of my kids to make an ideological battle and wouldn't defy the law. I do think homeschooling should be legal but don't see this as a big deal because public schools are fine.
     
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    And it's been downhill for the world ever since.
     
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    Yeah, the Weimar Republic was kind of fascist in many ways. It's no wonder Germans didn't have that big of a problem going with Hitler.

    So many fascist things that are commonly associated with the Nazis were already in place before the Nazis came to power.
     
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    It is illegal to home-school in Germany. How dense do you need to be to not expect some kind of legal problem then? It is also illegal in Sweden.
     
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    Yeah, but, Sweden's too Soviet influenced to ever be considered free and liberal.
    That's also why Britain swings like a pendulum due (because it's not Soviet).
    I mean, Britain's not perfect, but it's not Soviet.
    In the UK, can home school, and get a license to sell alcohol.
    In Sweden, the only alcohol you can buy that's higher than 3.5% proof is from some state owned chain.

    So finding out home schooling is illegal in a country Soviet influenced is no revelation, but a reminder that Sweden's more Soviet and that we all should be happier for the freedoms we do have.
     
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    The schools being fine has nothing to do with it! Parents should be able to decide what their child learns and how they learn it! This is a BASIC part of a free society.
     
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    Errr no it is not

    Haven’t checked Australian law on this have you??
    In most states you HAVE to follow a state curriculum guide and they will check. If someone was trying what these parents were I think DOCS would be VERY interested and the child might well end in state care
     
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    When did I say that in Australia, parents can decide what their child learns and how they learn it?
     
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    What is the relevance of this history lesson?
     
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    Well unfortunately for the useless German government, they have signed up to a number of international human rights agreements that explicitly protect the right of parents to choose the manner of education for their children. Germany has failed to honour these agreements on several occasions, pursuing families - such as the Wunderlichs - who have chosen to educate their children at home.
     
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    Hello? I am German...

    Can it be that in Germany, the general, compulsory education is compulsory and then every child must go to school! Home schooling is banned by us and that's a very good thing ... such a nonsense and crine against children that parents forbid school visit etc. as in other countries, we do not want to have in Germany!

    Law is law ... the law always exists ... and who does not stick to it and still does not hold despite warnings, gets the consequences, simply because the parents are lousy idiots, unable to raise children!

    It's that simple ... and there's nothing to criticize!
     
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    The well-being of the child goes beyond the rights of the parents. So stop talking such a total BS! This has nothing to do with human rights ... if then the human right of children to visit a school, but not the human right of Psycho idiots of parents who are unable to raise children!
     
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    You think that I don't know that it is illegal?

    Actually, I have no problem with this. The government own the road so they should get to decide the process that puts people on it.
     
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    Not really. I have noticed this from you before. You believe parents have rights but not children, for instance you believed in the right of a father to use life saving medical interventions to keep alive a child who would never recover and who possibly was in pain. To you the right of the parent to spend an inordinate amount of money on keeping alive a child with no hope but arguably feeling pain was more important than relieving that child of pain and freeing the equipment to save those who had a potential future. Children have rights as well. A parent does not have the right to do anything that they like with their children as you believe. A child has the right to receive an education and care of the kind which will allow that child to grow up to be physically and emotionally healthy and able to integrate into the society they are living in. A 'free' society looks after children as well.
     
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    How is it a crime against children?
     
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    Oh ... again the topic "Freedom of speech"?

    Really annoying, if Germany has the best law for the protection of its state, the constitution and the freedom of the citizens ... against the scum, which wants to abuse its constitutional law to abolish the constitution? Envious of what it looks like ... we've learned from history, you're doing the same BS as we used to, and you still have to learn it. But do not worry, you're well on your way to making all the mistakes as well, including your own Hitler!
     
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    It can't be said that the kid would never have recovered.

    I never once said that the kid should be allowed to remain being supported by equipment which could be freed up to save those who had a potential future. I said that the parents should be able to leave the hospital with their kid! VERY simple!

    When did I say that parents should have the right to do ANYTHING that they like with their children?

    And why does homeschooling go against this?
     
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    Why does well-being not include homeschooling?

    Can you rephrase?
     
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    What does any of this nonsense have to do with freedom of speech?
     
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    That is not what I remember. You put parents rights to do anything they want above the right of the child to have any rights.

    By your continued argument that they have the right to do anything they want to their children simply because they are the parents.

    To you there is no problem if it does. You have one interest - the right of the parent to do whatever they want to their child. That is the black and white argument I have always seen you give. The parent has the right to do anything they want to their child and nothing else matters. You for instance do not believe it is important that the parents bring up their children to be physically and mentally healthy and fit into society. You only believe in the parents freedom to do what they want with their children Your freedom is about giving parents power over..It does not address the freedoms of the child.
     
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    Take a look at the historical background and then you will realize ...
    As parents are more likely to fail in self-reliant, school-based education in compliance with the indispensable standards of a child and this is often misused, the education of the child is a state task!

    Yes, I also know that there are some countries that allow it ... but if you look at it closely, then it's psycho parents who belong to some schizophrenic idea, some religious idiots or unworldly dreamers ... which wanting to keep their children out of the world ... out of sheer self-interest they want to transfer to their children!

    Who guarantees that a child has the necessary performance and knowledge to study at a university if it is only taught at home? So it has to be tested regularly ... so take part in learning surveys ... to guarantee that. Or do the parents also want to determine whether their child is allowed to go to university or not?

    Anarchy ... you can not use in education!
     
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    Read it again ... maybe you then understand.

    Why shall we allow a perosn to miss-use freedom of speech when he has the intention to kill the constitution which gives him this right? Explain me, why we shall allow this?
     

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