Christianity and Homosexuality

'Choice' comes before conception. Pro-life groups will take in every baby saved from abortion.

 

Why would you say that if abortion is no different from swatting a mosquito?

 

For the record, the Westboro group, about 50 mostly related people, are quite wrong in their approach. But I care much more about what people do than what they say, the Westboro signs aren't harming people like jihadists and abortionists are.

 

Frivolous sex and homosexuality are basically the same sin.

 

The Bible doesn't define either as a 'sin'

 

I accept that there are reasons for abortion and agree that the decision must be made by the woman, not the state.

But, abortion has a down side.

 

Are you calling for fetuses to unite?

On a more serious note, I (and I think pretty much every American) would like it if there were fewer abortions.

It's the method of achieving that goal, the laws against women, that is objectionable.

 

I don't believe it is similar to swatting a mosquito.

There is a down side to abortion. That downside hits the woman the hardest, but I think it has broader effects.

But, it still has to be the woman's decision.

Not only that, but other countries have done a better job of reducing the number of abortions WITHOUT using laws against the woman's decision - without impeding access.

I think progress can be made, but laws against women is just not an acceptable methodology.

 

So, you have no objection to what Christians do in the name of YOUR religion as long as they aren't carrying out terrorism?

Seriously, I think you need stand up for what you believe more than that.

And, when they show up at funerals, etc., strongly stating what Christianity stands for, serious harm IS being done.

 

I don't agree with that.

Frivolous sex may be a sin. You can decide that.

However, the idea that all sex between same sex couples is frivolous is just plain false. Same sex relations can be just as meaningful as heterosexual relations.

In fact, it's quite possible that heterosexual sex is frivolous if one of the partners is homosexual.

 

I've never seen that happen, have you? By that standard millions of Muslims should be marching daily protesting all the real crimes done in the name of their religion, right?

 

Not really.

• Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
• Leviticus 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."
• 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
• Romans 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

God, who invented sex, has a standard for it, between one man and one woman in a lifelong marriage relationship.

 

Hmmmm….I guess "God" didn't bother to tell his other creations:
Mammals[edit]
Main article: List of mammals displaying homosexual behavior
Selected mammals from the full list

• Baboon
• Bison[12]
• Brown bear[13]
• Brown rat[14]
• Cavy[14]
• Caribou[15]
• Cat (domestic)[16]
• Cattle (domestic)[17]
• Chimpanzee[18][19][20][21]
• Common dolphin[22]
• Common marmoset[23]
• Dog[24]
• Elephant[25]
• Fox[26]
• Giraffe[3][27][28]
• Goat[12]
• Horse (domestic)[29]
• Human[30][31][32]
• Koala[33]
• Lion[30]
• Orca[22]
• Panda
• Raccoon[34]

Perhaps he was too busy telling Leviticus how to sell your daughters or what clothes to wear.

 

I'm sure all those animals get cancer too.

 

Are you trying to imply that cancer is a sin or that God gave cancer to the world too?

Or is this just your way of avoiding discussion.

 

So, ya, this is what I was originally referring to.

Lets try it another way: would you agree that The Bible defines drinking and/or getting drunk as a sin?

Would you agree that those who 'revile' (criticize in an abusive or angrily insulting manner) gays are just as guilty of sin in God's view as the gays themselves?

Or perhaps is there a difference between things that God doesn't like and wants us to avoid, and things that are punishable by eternal damnation in Hell?

 

Muslims repeatedly call out that ISIS holds a perverted version of their religion.

Beyond that, pretty much EVERY person fighting ISIS in the ME is Muslim. They are dying for this.

I'm not asking you to personally confront the group Phelps created.

 

If you leave the unborn child out of the picture, there are psychological and physical downsides for women, including possible breast cancer.

 

Yet majorities hold extreme views, as in 85% of Egyptian Muslims saying 'infidels' should be killed, just like the Koran says.

And there were Germans who died opposing Hitler.

Who is Phelps killing? To compare the two is moronic, and vastly minimizes the trauma of the victims of ISIS.

 

Both cancer and same-sex feelings are results of the Fall, and not created by God.

 

Drinking and getting drunk are two different things.

Reviling the person that Christ died for is sin, reviling the sin itself is not.

 

I pointed that out - not the specifics, but I stated that there are downsides for women.

 

OK, I'm totally lost as to where you are going with this.

So, I don't even want to see a cite on this. And, I'm not going to go into how we got ISIS - except to say that we had a LOT to do with it.

 

Pew Research. Where I'm going is you seem to think only a very tiny number of Muslims hold these extreme views, when in actuality in some countries majorities do. If a US majority thought blacks or gays should be killed would that be a problem?

When Obama allowed them, the 'JV Team', to run rampant, against the advice of his advisors. Otherwise you're blaming the victim. ISIS-like Muslim behavior has been around for 1400 years, long before the US or Israel existed.

 

Do you then agree that God views (according to The Bible) getting drunk and being gay as equally sinful?